Tuesday, January 10, 2012


Frederick Douglass claimed Lincoln was   


   Gee, he had to be stupid, right?   



Lincoln was called "Negro Worshipper"   and "obsessed with equality for the Nigger"  by Stephen A Douglas.

Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with, and marry with "Niggers"  (sorry to use the term, in this case, it's necessary".


Murder of Lovejoy, Lincoln's friend.


Lincoln had to be careful -- his friend Lovejoy had been killed by a crowd for his "radical abolitionism".   Most white people in Illinois had never seen a black person up close -- and it was illegal for lacks to move to Illinois.

 LIncoln had to prove he was not saying your daughter should "sleep with Niggers".   


 Southern leaders said Lincoln would destroy the white race -- just by refusing to spread slavery into the West against popular sovereignty.   Kansas had voted 95% against slavery -- yet (see below for proof) Southern War ultimatums were that Kansas must accept and respect slavery. 


Stephen A Douglas , and Southern leaders, said such things for a reason --  it worked. It worked to make people hateful and fearful.   Your history text books -- not even movies about slavery -- show this aspect.

Any "Western" politician (Illinois was considered west, then) who dared to be against slavery, even just against the spread of slavery, had to be very careful what they said.

No one ever told you that, did they?


See this -- it's a movie clip from 1939, but the words for each man are almost verbatim, and very much in context, for both man.

Only, where the movie has "Negro"  Douglas would typically say "Nigger".  See this....

As you see, you COULD take a few words here, and a few words from there, and make Lincoln say, "blacks are certainly not my equal".
But when you see ALL Lincoln said, and know how Douglas was saying LIncoln wanted your daughter to sleep with "Niggers"  - holy shit, Lincoln  kicked slavery in the ass.  Clearly in this speech, Lincoln said every black person is equal to any white person "in her natural rights". 

Believe it or not - -that was damn radical.  Most whites did not see blacks as "fully human".  And much more, they did not want black males around their wives and daughters.  You are not taught about this "fear of black male"   issue, but it was very real, and Stephen A Douglas used it in every debate.

Guess who knew that?  Frederick Douglass knew that.  Yes, Lincoln COULD have got up and said "What's wrong with your daughter sleeping with a Nigger"?  

He would have been shot before he got off the stage.

 In fact Lincoln was shot in the head, not long after his speech -- very mild indeed -- about voting rights for blacks.  

So yes, Lincoln parsed words.  But holy shit, he kicked ass anyway.  She is my equal and the equal of ANY MAN.   Did you see that?  Any confusion in youir mind?    This was radical -- and very much against the Supreme Court decision of that time.

|Gess who didn't know that?  You didn't. You had no clue Dred Scott said blacks were not persons. You had no idea Lincoln was called "obsessed with equality for the Nigger".  You had no clue of much of the basics.   But you probably can recite the letter to Greeley.   That's fine -- he did write the letter. Very careful language in that letter -- because he kept the Union together, and said to -- to end slavery.  Keeping the Union together was the only way to end slavery.  That was his House Divided speech, and when he gave that, the shit hit the fan.   Southern politicians (and Douglas) immediately trashed Lincoln for his apparent threat to the South to end slavery by keeping the Union together. You had no clue about that either.
And there is much more.....

  Douglass knew the whole story.  Not just the bits and pieces your are fed. 







Douglas (one s) claimed Lincoln was a "traitor" for just saying blacks and whites should be equal under the law, because Dred Scott decision said blacks were not even  human beings (not persons) but property.

Lincoln -- and many others -- had exposed Dred Scott as a way to force slavery into all of the US.  Speeches by Southern leaders verify this, they did in fact use Dred Scott decision to justify spread of slavery into rest of the US.

Douglass knew that too.


.   Like everyone who spoke against slavery at the time, they were called Nigger lovers, Nigger Worshippers, or Black Republicans,  by hate and fear mongers.

  When men like Stephen Douglas went into detail -- the details were this -- Lincoln wanted your daughters to sleep with "Niggers".   You aren't told of this now, but Douglas was well known at the time for in harsh and powerful way he would enunciate the word "NIGGER" in his speeches, especially after he  had been drinking. He was apparently drunk in Quincy and Charleston debates, by the way.

Lincoln eventually got his own bullet to the brain, though Lovejoy was burned to death, for being "too radical" for equality. 

When Lincoln got up to speak, he was speaking to crowds who feared blacks, many hated blacks, though most never met a black person.  It was illegal in Illinois, for black folks to even move there. 

Stephen Douglas said Lincoln wants your daughters to "sleep with and marry with Negroes" in order to inflame the fear and hate that was already there.

It was not usual tactic by guys like Douglas-- because it worked. 


Frederick Douglass said Lincoln was "radical zealous, swift and determined"  for equality.

They were there. Maybe -- just maybe -- they knew something you don't?

Southern leaders went further.  LIncoln will "exterminate" the white race by stopping the spread of slavery.   Lincoln will cause blacks to rebel, causing death to whites and blacks. 

Obsessed with equality for the "Nigger"?   Huh?

It was not just Douglas (Stephen A)  that claimed Lincoln would have white women sleep with and marry blacks.   There were dozens of Northern papers, including New York papers, that ridiculed Lincoln for claiming blacks were equal to whites.

Oh - -I know, I know --  you heard the edited quotes, which were true, but out of context.  Lincoln said a LOT  of things - -- as he had to, but he was radical as hell, for his time and place.  


Lincoln was "out there" on equality-- and said so, if you get all the quotes.  This was not a word game, but if you want to play the Lincoln word game, get all his words.

Yes, he parsed words. There are a dozen of so times, Lincoln parsed words so much, his advisors were disappointed.  Like in Charleston Illinois -- but  Stephen A Douglas had just spoken, and went from side to side on the stage, calling Lincoln the usual "Nigger" stuff, but even more so now.



Douglas was extremely good at getting crowds whipped into a frenzy.   

 You may not now know,  Douglas was all but inciting hate -- he kept mentioning Lovejoy/  You probably don't even know who Lovejoy was.

Lovejoy was killed by a mob in Illinois, for being too outspoken against slavery.    When Douglas brought  up Lovejoy's name - which he did repeatedly -- Douglas was pumping up the hate. Tying Lincoln to his friend Lovejoy was good politics for Douglas, and dangerous for Lincoln/

But more that Lovejoy -- Douglas said outright -- Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with Niggers. Most newspapers and all history books have cleaned that up.  

One paper -- in Quincy and another in Charleston -- reported how mean Douglas was when he 'went into the Nigger stuff'.   He did not just say it,  he shouted it, he had drool coming down his lip.   He went side to side, shouting it.

Since you have no idea of this --  and you only know part of Lincoln's FULL speeches and quotes -- it's easy to come to exactly opposite conclusion.

Lincoln knew those people in Illinois, particularly  central Illinois, where LIncoln travelled extensively as a laywer.

Lucky for Lincoln - Lincoln could use humor to defuse Douglas rants.  Lincoln's full speeches are stunning -- powerful -- for equality, powerful to end slavery, powerful as hell.

But he did have to parse words --and those are the quotes you get today.  Standing alone, they seem horrible.  But when you know what was going on, Lincoln was, as Douglass said, radical, swift, zealous, and determined.

Lincoln STILL said blacks should have equal rights under the Constitution, even though Douglas was all but physically accosting him for it.

Stephen Douglas was supposedly the most powerful speaker of his era. That was his one skill. And he let Lincoln have it -- to his face, loud and proud. Lincoln is preaching revolution. Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with and marry with Negroes. Lincoln is flaunting the United States Supreme Court. Lincoln is declaring War against the South with his House Divided Speech.

Only when you know the history well, and THEN read honest transcript of those debates, can you  begin to grasp the seriousness of the debates.  Lincoln had to use humor, and his own brilliant speaking skills to "defang"  Douglas.

Again, and again, and again, Douglas would tell the public Lincoln was "revolutionary"  and a "traitor" for saying blacks and whites are equal under the law, when Dred Scott decision said otherwise.

If you don't know about Dred Scott, therefore, and don't know how Douglas used this like a dagger, you do not know what Lincoln was up against. 

There was a reason Stephen Douglas kept telling folks Lincoln was obsessed with equality -- and wanted your daughters to sleep with Negroes -- that worked.   Fear of blacks, freed, coming North was a BFD in 1858.    

So YES -- Lincoln had to sometimes parse words. His friend was killed for speaking too bluntly -- as he would be killed.  

These folks who tell you how Lincoln didn't care about slavery -- WTF?  Not only was he radical and extreme, for his time and place, but his actions were amazing, from 1846 on. He stood up to President Polk -- no one told you this, did they --  about the killing spree we call Mexican War, and called Polk on using war to double the size of slave territory.   See below for a list of Lincoln's actions, you never heard about, especially from those who trash him now for "not caring" about slavery.

Southern politicians and newspapers said Lincoln would EXTERMINATE the white race!  


 Lincoln was  in a dangerous world for abolitionist -- in fact, the term abolitionist was a vile term at the time, North and South, to most people.  

WE consider "abolitionist" as good, now.   But  95% of the white public did not. 

  Forty  years later,  in 1890's, people writing about that time, would try to explain this. Abolitionist was like calling someone a pervert, or that they wanted your daughters to "be with"  Niggers.

   In Kansas, Southerners bragged about killing every abolitionist they could find!  You could be killed, even in Kansas, even in IL, for being too "abolitionist".

   Lincoln, of course, got a bullet to the brain, after Booth heard his speech about voting rights for blacks.

So, no kidding, Lincoln avoided that term. He would have been killed much sooner, if he did  not.

  Stephen Douglas claimed Lincoln cared more about the Negro than he did about his own race. 



You just know a small part of it, now. 

So tell me, was Frederick Doulgass stupid?

Should he have just listened to your high school teacher for 10 minutes?   Maybe read that letter to Greeley?

Consider this -- Lincoln was not the only white person to die, for being too radical for equality. He is just the best known.  It's a shame people are  now so stupid they often claim Lincoln "did not care"  or was not "really" against slavery.

The more you know about how violent the South was to kill and terrorize anyone who was against slavery, the more amazing and brave Lincoln is --because he was. 

 Frederick Douglass wasn't stupid.  Maybe you were.

Did Douglass just need to learn from "historians" 100  years later.

No. Douglass (Frederick) knew what the hell he was talking about.




  Don't pretend you knew this already


If you think you know history, and you do not know that from 1857 until just before Lincoln was killed, that officially, by order of the US Supreme Court, blacks were not human beings -- you don't know shit about Abraham Lincoln.

It's not your fault you don't know.   But Lincoln knew. Douglass knew.  Most of the country knew this. 

Small sentences.  Big wars.  

That whole "by order of the court"  that blacks are not  human beings -- you never heard that, did you?

Yes, see more below.   

Stupidly, again and again, in every US text book we have seen, and by "historians" like Eric Foner,  this is glossed over.  Foner inexplicably claims Dred Scott was a "rather narrow ruling" about "citizenship".

Citizenship? Jesus, do you Orwell much?   It was whether blacks were human beings, or not. The court said NO -- specifically they are property. They are to be seen as property.

They are "SO INFERIOR"  no white man could possibly think blacks are in the same caste (Jefferson Davis said blacks are in a different caste, delivered by God to be enslaved).

But at the time, this was BFD, the BIGGEST BFD. 

Douglas again, and again, and again -- dozens of times, both face to face with Lincoln, and by himself, degraded Lincoln for his obsession for equality of these "inferior beings".

Did you know that? HELL NO. You do not know that. Don't pretend you ever even heard of it.  Because this information is not in any US text book.  You have to read the Dred Scott decision itself, and newspapers books and speeches at the time -- how Jeff Davis and the South used Dred Scott to justify their killing sprees into Kansas.  And how they justified their War Ultimatums -- see below -- on Dred Scott.

Narrow ruling, said Foner?  Unreal.  Jefferson Davis and Abe Lincoln sure as hell didn't think it was a narrow ruling.     

Why the hell do you think LIncoln explained this about 50 times, in his House Divided Speech and elsewhere?  Do you think he was kidding?  

If Dred Scott held, there was no way to stop the spread of slavery into free states. No,Lincoln was not wrong.

In fact, Southern War ULtimatums prove LIncoln was not wrong.  Southern War ultimatums demanded Kansas -- already a free state by then -- must accept and respect slavery.

You had no clue about that either, did you?   Yes, Southern WAR ULTIMATUMS demanded a free state accept and respect slavery.  Kind of a big deal.

Another basic fact, overlooked in US textbooks.


Lincoln and Jefferson Davis did not agree on much.

But they both agreed, and said, Dred Scott changed everything Because of Dred Scott's order (yes order) that blacks are not to be seen as human beings (as persons) but property,  AND because Dred Scott order (yes order) that the fed government actually protect slavery, even in places is was rejected (like Kansas), there was no way to stop the spread of slavery.

This is what Lincoln said in House Divided.   It was nothing unusual -- hundreds of others had pointed it out -- including Jeff Davis and Southern leaders.    Of course, the South boasted of it. 

Lincoln decried the decision and got the 13th Amendment to supercede it. Most "history" teachers can not even tell you why LIncoln needed the 13th Amendment. The answer, was to get rid of Dred Scott decision. 

Dred Scott was  "logic" behind Southern war ultimatums, too, that appeared in Richmond newspaper headlines just before the Civil War (as you know it) started.  See more about Southern War Ultimatums.

So the Dred Scott decision was perfect -- and as Lincoln pointed out -- made that way, like a machine -- to spread slavery where it was impossible to spread slavery before.   Now, because of Dred Scott, it no longer mattered one iota if the people of Kansas rejected slavery 95% or  not. 

The Southern War Ultimatums were specific -- Kansas must accept and respect slavery. Why?  The Dred Scott decision.

So no, Lincoln was not wrong. 

He knew what the fuck he was talking about, and so did Jefferson Davis. .

I can't help it, that you don't know.  This is exactly what leaders on BOTH sides were saying -- Lincoln in the North, and Jeff Davis in the South.  Not kinda, not sorta, not in away.   This is exactly what they were saying. 

Short of renting billboard space on your ass, Lincoln could not make it any more clear.  Likewise, Davis made it clear.  

Dred Scott changed everything Davis said. Dred Scott ordered blacks to be property, and the federal government protect it.

How the hell do people not know this most basic thing? That Dred Scott court ordered blacks to be seen as not human beings (not persons).   

More importantly -- the South used this decision to justify killing and spreading slavery.  Over, and over, and over, Southern speakers, documents and newspapers referred to Dred Scott as the authority of them to put slavery wherever they wanted. 

And they wanted it -- in Kansas and all the way west -- even though Kansas voted against slavery 95%.

Southern War Ultimatums were about one thing -- spreading slavery.  

You had no clue, 30 seconds ago, that was even an issue.

Here is where most people (especially history teachers) pretend they knew.

If you don't know why Lincoln would be called a traitor, then you don't know enough about Lincoln, the Civil War, or Stephen A Douglas.




Lincoln would get a bullet to the brain,  in 1865, for the same reason Stephen A Douglas repeatedly taunted LIncoln -- to his face - for his obsession for equality "for the Nigger".

Yes, no shit, Lincoln parsed words.  He parsed words about voting rights for blacks, too, after which Booth shot him anyway. 

I can't help it, you don't know. That's not my fault. If you have a degree in history, and you don't know this, go ask for your money back. It's that basic. 

Why would Stephen A Douglas call Lincoln a traitor- - because he was disagreeing with Dred Scott, "the law of the land"  said Stephen A Douglas.

And guess what -- DOUGLAS WON.  

Gee - there is a lot, lot more you don't know.

In fact,  Stephen A  Douglas went from side to side of the stage in Charleston IL, spitting out the word "nigger" claiming Lincoln "cared more about the Niggers that he did about his own country."

Newspapers in at least two cities-- Quincy and Charleston -- reported Douglas had clearly been drinking, by the anger he displayed when saying the word "Nigger".

Lincoln wants your wife and daughters to "be with" Niggers.

People feared -- white males sure as hell feared -- that black men would be free to move to Illinois (it was illegal for blacks to even move to Illinois at the time) and "be with" their daughters.

So Douglas stabbed this raw nerve, again, and again, and again.



Lincoln was called a traitor -- and "obsessed with equality for the Nigger"  for daring to say in public blacks and whites ARE equal.   Yes, he said that time after time, in various ways.

Isolated facts -- TORN FROM THEIR CONNECTION?   In other words, out of context.

Ironically, Lincoln's enemies accused him of being far far too concerned with equality -- let slavery continue, just keep it down South, was the attitude in the North. 

Douglass told folks, as plainly as he knew how, that Lincoln was radical. We can't go by this quote or that, out of context.  Lincoln had to play this game -- he was not king.  He did parse words. 

But parsing words -- he STILL kicked ass, if you know all his words.

It's just not taught like this. 

Don't pretend you knew this already -- because 99% of the people we ask, have no clue about this basic fact.   If you don't understand this, you don't know shit about Lincoln or the Civil War

" Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with and marry with Niggers." 
"Mr. Lincoln is obsessed with equality for the Nigger."  


   The United States Supreme Court ruled blacks  
   were not human beings (not persons) under the
   law, and Lincoln was a "traitor" for saying otherwise.

The fact most people today have no clue whatsoever that when LIncon ran for US Senate, then President -- the Supreme Court had already ruled blacks are not human beings.

Lincoln spoke against this with power -- over and over and over. 

And you never heard of that, did you?

Slap your teacher for that. But there is much more





You don't know what Lincoln faced,  but Douglass did. 

 Lincoln got much grief and threats from people in the NORTH.  Lincoln's political enemies in the NORTH wanted him arrested, or gave speeches to that effect, if he even said slavery should end for the war to end. 

Southern leaders were even worse -- Lincoln will destroy the white race.   When you learn what kind of violence (yes violence) Lincoln faced, you wont be so stupid.   People were still being killed for speaking too bluntly, in the wrong place, for equality.  Yet read Lincolns full speeches -- he kicked ass on equality, when you know the full speeches. 

In fact, no one spoke more powerfully than Lincoln, for where, and when he was, while running for office.   It was one thing to speak in Maine or to select crowds in Massachusetts, Lincoln was radical as hell -- when you learn his full speeches -- in Illinois and Kansas. 

  Some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested for just saying slavery should end for the war to end. 

  Southern leaders claimed Lincoln's House Divided Speech was a "declaration of war" against the South. 

   Lincoln shot in the head after Booth heard his 
  speech about voting rights for blacks

  Lincoln's Southern enemies said he was going to 
 destroy the white race and was "the worst sort of

  Lincoln's friend Lovejoy  was killed by a mob in   IL for speaking too blunty against slavery

No text book in the US shows this aspect of hatred for Lincoln IN THE NORTH -- and how dangerous it was for him to speak.


Lincoln's claim that the Negro is equal to any white man in his rights under that law is treason -- he cares more for the Nigger than he cares for his own race....


 Bullet in the head - Lincoln's reward for   being "obsessed  with equality for the Nigger".

Lincoln could  have gotten that bullet in the brain much sooner, if he had been any more blunt, sooner.

Somehow, Lincoln is the bad guy?  Here Southern leaders are bragging about killing to spread slavery for God -- and Lincoln, is the bad guy?

Lincoln's NORTHERN enemies are jumping up and down claiming Lincoln is obsessed with equality for the Nigger -- and Lincoln is the bad guy?

Fucking hell -- there was no one, no one -- like Lincoln.  Yes, some others gave speeches, for money.  Or in Boston, or Maine.

Show me anyone who went to Kansas and spoke like Lincoln.  Show me anyone who went to Alton, or Charleston, and spoke to those crowds, like Lincoln did.

Lincoln's FULL speeches are amazing.  If you want to play word games, play it, dumb ass. If you want to know what was going on, read 1000 Southern newspapers and speeches, and see what Lincoln was up against.



Douglass (Frederick)  was not fooled by word games, played later.

More than anything, Douglass knew that Lincoln HAD to parse words at times.  People were still being killed -- and Douglass knew that -- for speaking too bluntly about equality.

 As Frederick Douglass said, "we did not judge him by stray utterances" -- because Douglass knew all of Lincoln's speeches, he knew the Lincoln DOuglas debates well -- he published much of LIncoln's words in his own newspaper.

Sure -- you can play word games.  Go on, lots of people do. But if you want to know why Frederick Douglas AND Stephen A Douglas both said Lincoln was a "radical,"  you can't play word games.
You have to know what happened. 


Yes,  Lincoln  had to parse words, but if he had not,  Stephen Douglas would have been president -- Douglas was Jeff Davis buddy.

There may have been no Civil War -- Stephen A Douglas was fine with spread of slavery into Kansas.  He defended Dred Scott decision out the ass, again and again.

Dred Scott decision was the LAW OF THE LAND, per DOuglas.

So if you don't know what Dred Scott was about (and most people do not) you don't know how fucking horrible it would be, if he were President.






Douglas even showed up in a rail car with a cannon on the back, and he would come out of his car, when the cannon went off.  He was big-- real big - on theatrics. 

His central message -- Mr Lincoln is dangerous.  

His other message -- Dred Scott decision is law of the land.

The words Douglas used to give that message: Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with "Niggers".

The effect of those words -- Douglas won that election.

Do you grasp that -- or not?  Douglas won that election.

If not for Lincoln -- Douglas also wins POTUS in 1860


Governor Brown of Georgia wrote a long "open letter" - very famous at the time, saying how Lincoln was going to make whites live a "degraded existence"   and have your daughters "be with" and marry with, Negroes (at least he said Negroes, not niggers).

Lincoln would cause the death of the white race -- just by stopping the spread of slavery 




WTF?  No one told us that.  Obsessed for equality of "Niggers"?

Lincoln was obsessed with equality for the Negro -- New York papers called him once a "Negro Worshiper" -- lingo at the time for anyone against slavery.

Read the FULL speeches -- holy shit, he kicks ass.  And learn context.  

Whatever the reason, no one  left a Lincoln speech, a debate, confused at all........ Lincoln was determined to "put slavery on the path to extinction" --and then, he did exactly that. 

Also -- no one else, then and there, delivered the powerful over the top declarations for equality -- in such an effective way.

Lincoln was taunted, jeered at, considered a "Nigger lover"  by his opponents and much of the public.

Lincoln spoke to crowds who disagreed with him, in areas it was still dangers to speak about equality.



Who else -- where Lincoln was, when he was, were as powerful and radical as Lincoln?

Yes, there were "fire breather" abolitionists -- IN MAINE. In New York.   They were paid, too.  Garrison and others made their living speaking to people who already agreed with them.

Lincoln was not paid, he paid for all his expenses.

Lincoln did not get to speak to people who already agreed with him. In fact, most of the people Lincoln spoke to, in the debates, and in his many speeches, thought blacks were more some kind of different species.  And they worried freeing them would cause black men to take white women.

Not an easy sell.

LIncoln was trying to win the crowds over, not get shot. 


Lincoln's enemies -- and all of the Southern demagogues  -- were screaming bloody murder that Lincoln was dangerous,  and would either destroy the white race, or at least make your daughters and sons be "on equal terms" with the Negro.

Lincoln was actually kicking ass about equality for the races, and ending slavery, all along.  

For example, who do you suppose stood up to Polk in 1846 and bluntly accused the President to starting a way to spread slavery?

Do you even know LIncoln did that?

No. Ive talked to folks who work at Lincoln library, who inexplicably had no clue of Lincoln's  strong history of ACTION against slavery, including standing up to President Polk.


Stephen A Douglas even told crowds he saw Lincoln and a white woman, in a carriage, with a black man.  Did you know that?

Hell no.  He did not see such a thing -- but he would tell the crowd that.

Do you know why? You have no clue.   

Any white man who was seen with an inter racial couple, was in scorned.   Douglas was taunting Lincoln --  not a funny joke, if someone took him seriously.

Still, when Lincoln spoke after these taunts, Lincoln stunned crowds -- no one left thinking he was okay with slavery. No one left thinking LIncoln was against equality. People left understanding the cancer of slavery that was sweeping the US - and Lincoln said we have to stop that cancer.

By the way, no one else even gave 2000 or more speeches about this --went from city to city to city. Not for pay, but because Southern leaders were already killing to spread slavery in Kansas, and promised more spread of slavery.

Who do you think was going around telling folks blacks were equal in all rights, equal to any white man, he told them.  You don't even know he told them that.  

Mostly, learn what he DID.  

Yes, he spoke at times about Union -- no fucking kidding.  At the time he was speaking about UNION, four border states were almost going for the Confederacy.  If they had,  not only is the war over, but slavery spreads, as Southern leaders promised it would be.

Lincoln HAD to empathize Union for those four border states.  And did. It worked. 

But Lincoln, before, and after, spoke thousands of times about the need to get rid of slavery, and how slavery would take over the US, like a cancer, or  the Union would remain.

Keeping the Union together was the ONLY way to stop the spread of slavery.  Southern leaders agreed, if Lincoln would not let them spread slavery, they would create their own nation, based on slavery.

And they boasted about that.  They boasted they were creating a  nation based on slavery.




Because Kansas Act pushed slavery into Kansas -- and then Dred Scott decision said blacks are not human beings, Lincoln and thousands of other people, North and South, knew slavery was going to spread all over, or be kicked out.

Lincoln was hated in the newspapers -- in the South -- for House Divided. It was a in effect, a declaration of war against the South, saying slavery would end everywhere, or spread everywhere.

So when Lincoln did write the letter to Greeley (to the South, really, but via Greeley) he had already said repeatedly, slavery would end, or the Union would end.

And he did not believe the Union would end.

You may not grasp now, that LIncoln saying he was keeping Union together, meant slavery would have to end.   If the US split, slavery spreads.  Lincoln was not going to allow that.  And he was going to stop the spread of slavery -- ending slavery if he had to  -- to keep the Union together.


When Lincoln's letter to Greeley is a prime example.

He actually wrote it to the Border States, which were going to join the Confederacy any day -- any hour.     The stupidity of Fremont in Kentucky gave slave owners what they needed -- see, Lincoln is going to free all the slaves and they will intermarry with  your white women.

Lincoln wrote it to Greeley, knowing very well by the next day or two, many Southern newspapers would print it.

Lincoln was very careful in that letter -- he said his words with amazing skill -- he had enough "wiggle room"  -  he parsed words often, and well.  He did it here, too.

He had already made it clear, slavery was going to go, or union was going to go, over time.    He also made it clear, keeping the Union together was the only way to stop the spread of slavery.

If Lincoln does  not write that letter, or if it did not work (it worked)   the Civil War is over, and slavery spreads, per the War Ultimatums.   South had issued War ultimatums before the fighting started, demanding the spread of slavery.   

All slave, or all free, Lincoln said. 

Yes, OF COURSE Lincoln knew he was misleading some folks in those border states.   But when this happened, Lincoln was telling the truth. He was trying to keep the Union together.   He did not add "so slavery will end"

IF Lincoln included those four words "so slavery will end" -- those four border states do go for the Confederacy.

So Lincoln is horrible for speaking about UNION in a letter meant to keep those states in the Union? 

Lincoln was correct -- he was trying to save the Union, to stop slavery.   Lincoln was famous for his "House Divided Speech".

The South said Lincoln was declaring war on the South -- the Union must go, or slavery must go, he said in a very clever way.  

Douglas (Stephen) used House Divided Speech against Lincoln too -- just like Southern leaders did.  He was taunting the South, he was urging war, etc etc.    

If the Union would not let the South spread slavery, the South would spread slavery OUT of the Union.   This was the constant promise of Southern leaders from 1810 on  -- read Southern newspapers from that era.  They were going to spread slavery.  In the Union- - fine.   If the North did not let them spread slavery as part of the US, they would just declare themselves a different nation, and spread it anyway.

Did you know that?   You should. lIt was the basic history of US from 1820-1861.

 And then he kicked slavery in the ass sideways.  

He could not have kicked slavery in the ass sideways, if he let those border states go with Confederacy. So he wrote the letter.

USA would have ended then, if Lincoln did not keep those borders states in. Why the fuck didn't your history teacher tell you that?  They should have, Lincoln and nearly everyone alive then, knew those borders states were the key to stopping the spread of slavery.

Yet Lincoln is portrayed as the BAD guy for that?  Such bullshit. Sadly, it's repeated over and over.

That's why those who trash Lincoln never dare give the full story -- even if they know it. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. 

Mostly, those who trash Lincoln don't explain that many people alive in 1850's,thought blacks were more like monkeys that could talk -- not actual human beings.

Southern leaders BRAGGED blacks were subhuman, did you know that - or not? 

Southern leaders BRAGGED their "new nation" was based on the "great moral and scientific truth" that blacks were inferior beings, not human beings like whites.  

But Lincoln is the bad guy? Fucking hell. 

In fact the US Supreme Court had already ruled blacks are NOT human beings -- did you know that or not -- for purposes of the Constitution.

Hell no, you didn't know that.  You should know, but this horrible aspect of US history is whitewashed.

Lincoln had to face hate mongers who made fun of his "love of the Negro"   and all but urged violence to Lincoln.   Lincoln's friend  Lovejoy  was killed for being too blunt about equality.

Did you even know that much? 

Did you know that people in the NORTH were still being killed for speaking too blunty for equality?    Bet you had no clue.  Is Kansas in the North?

Yes, and people in Kansas were being killed, before and after, Lincoln ran for US Senate.

You probably don't even know Lincoln went to Kansas, after people there were killed for speaking against slavery.

Guess who knew that ?   Frederick Douglass.

Guess who didn't know that? You.

Guess who didn't tell you? Your history book, Foner, McPherson, Catton, or 100 others "historians" who don't seem eager to tell the vile truth about who was killing who, and what Lincoln faced.

Why not tell you Confederates were killing to spread slavery -- long before Lincoln got there. 

Foner is stunningly stupid, at least about Dred Scott  decision, which he claims was "a rather narrow ruling".   That takes a special kind of stupid.



Learn the full story, not slogans. Lincoln's full speeches are amazing, powerful, and his actions to kill slavery were even more powerful.  

So read  his his full speeches, in context, and you won't be so stupid. 


No one went where Lincoln went, and spoke as powerfully or as effectively.  Lincoln's speeches -- even though some sentences offend you today -- actually were radical and amazing at the time.

No one told you that, did they?

Even Frederick Douglass did not go in front of crowds like Lincoln did, (it would be illegal for Douglass to move to IL) and speak to people Lincoln spoke to.


"Lincoln would have taken a bullet to the brain, much sooner than he did, if he was not careful what he said --what  good would a dead Lincoln do, in 1856?"


Yes, Lincoln did parse words -- but read the full speeches.


The Southern War Ultimatums -- printed first in Richmond papers, with headline "THE TRUE ISSUE".

How war ultimatums appeared in Douglass's paper.

Full text of Southern paper

The TRUE ISSUE -- and their war ultimatums, were that Lincoln allow the spread of slavery into Kansas, and Kansas "accept and respect slavery."

The WAR ultimatum, let that sink in WAR ULTIMATUM -- that Kansas accept and respect slavery.

Kansas had REJECTED slavery and become a free state, and by a 95% vote!!   Do you grasp that?   FUCKING HELL.

No one told you -- ever -- that Southern War Ultimatums demanded a free state turn into a slave state. Did they? You never heard that? FUCK NO.

It would help if US text books mentioned it- - so all the US would know what scum sucking pigs and lunatic Confederate leaders were.  

COnfederate leaders didn't suggest it, didn't say it would be preferable.  They said in writing the war ultimatums.


They were not fucking bluffing.  They issued their war ultimatums, Lincoln would not obey, and they attacked.  They were already killing in Kansas, anyway.


Lincoln did evolve-- on his awareness how he could kill slavery so bad, for the next 150 years, Southern leaders would deny the very things they bragged about then.


Lincoln called "Negro Worshiper"  by New York papers.



Every high school history teacher can tell you about Lincoln's letter to Greeley, where LIncoln says if he could save the union without freeing and slaves, he would.

Sounds horrible?

Why would Lincoln write that letter to Greeley??

Actually, Lincoln did NOT write that letter to Greeley  -- he wrote to the border states, via Greeley, because Lincoln knew that in 24-48 hours, most people that mattered would read his letter to "Greeley".

More about that, below.

Meanwhile, Southern leaders are killing to spread slavery, bragging about it, and that's fine. Lincoln is the bad guy?  Seriously?

Remember, Southern leaders were BRAGGING they were killing to spread slavery.  And LIncoln is the bad guy because he, at that time, spoke about Union? 

He fucking had to.  A few more days, and those Southern states go with Jeff Davis. Do you grasp that or not?




Killing the God of Slavery. Lincoln's final gesture


No one seems to grasp this now -- but once Lee surrendered, do you know that no Southern leader, not one, not for the next 150 years, ever claimed that bullshit again, about God intended slavery, intended slaves be tortured (yes, they claimed that before, often) and that God wanted white men to enslave the black race.

That all stopped -- instantly.  An amazing difference.  Blacks were still beaten, some were in slavery illegally, many of the horrible things continued.

But that "God of slavery" was a very real God-- at least used daily by Southern leaders.   Lincoln killed that excuse.


Plus Lincoln's actions.  Have you ever heard about his "radical" actions from 1846-65?

Douglass knew all these.  Did anyone bother to mention them, to you?


The fact you do not know this -- everyone knew it in 1850's -- show how whitewashed the Dred Scott decision has been, we now teach it as something about "citizenship"  and Congress can not decide slavery issues in the territories.

You should read the whole decision-- the "logic" of their order was that blacks are NOT human beings, but "so inferior" they are a different class of beings.

This is much like Jefferson Davis claim -- that blacks are "so inferior" that they are a "different caste" . The Vice President of Confederacy boasted blacks are being punished by God for biblical sins.  

This is what Lincoln was up against.


John Brown lasted about two hours, in Virginia, kicking slavery in the ass his way. Then he was hung, and so were his sons.

His other son already got killed, back in Kansas.

Lincoln fought a bit smarter -- and got the job done.



People  were arrested in the South, just for owning the wrong  book-- even preachers were arrested.

The article claims the South is the most moral, religious, and contented law abiding people on earth.   But those abolitionist are against God, against religion, against decency, and should be hung.  

The US Senator from Missouri boasted in his speech, he would kill to spread slavery, and kill to stop folks from speaking openly against slavery. That's not from some nut -- that was a US Senator boasting of it.

Those against slavery are against human virture, against modesty, they "must be hung or put in the penitentary" or the South will secede at once.


Frederick Douglass knew about articles like this -- because he reprinted them, in his own paper.

So Douglas knew the dangers to Lincoln -- and he knew Lincoln was trying to win elections, to get support of folks who thought blacks were sorta dogs that could talk and walk upright.

But Frederick Douglass already knew that.

Even in Illinois, speaking too candidly against slavery could get you shot - a fact Lincoln's friend Lovejoy learned too late. He was killed for his anti slavery newspaper.

Lincoln himself was shot in the head, by Booth, after Booth heard Lincoln speak for voting rights for blacks. Booth changed his plan from kidnapping, to killing, because of Lincoln's speech about voting rights.

Did anyone bother -- ever -- to tell you that?

I just did. Frederick Douglass already knew it.

People who saw Lincoln's speeches and debates did not say stupid things like "Lincoln is not really against slavery".     Nor did they say "Lincoln was reluctant to free the slaves".   
But see the video anyway, "Nigger" word cleaned up to "Negro" or not.  And go read his full speeches, his full debates -- and learn his full actions.

You may learn a  lot.  We did.

Douglass knew that most whites -- even in the North - would not walk across the street to free a slave, much less fight a war to do it.  He knew Lincoln had to gather support from millions of people who did not want blacks living anywhere near them, including Illinois, where it was illegal for a black person to move to.

Your "history" teacher may or may not know that. But Frederick Douglass lived it.  When you understand what Douglass knew, and why he said Lincoln was radical, swift, zealous, and determined, you won't be so stupid about the Civil War, or Lincoln.


Frederick Douglass was world famous before most people in  Illinois  ever heard of Lincoln.  He had been tortured, he has seen a slave woman whipped to death while the slave master shouted bible verses.

His biological father raped his mother, a slave woman, and would send bounty hunters after Douglass when he escaped.

Douglass  had seen slaves torn by slave dogs, specially trained to attack blacks who ran.


Other things NORTHERN politicians and NORTHERN newspapers called Lincoln at the time:






      'Lincoln is an ignorant man who, by stopping the spread of slavery, will be like burning us to death slowly'

     'Lincoln and black Republican's  true intention is clear, to abolish slavery in all of the states'


If you told people in 1854-1865, that Lincoln was not against slavery, most of them would have looked at you like you were out of your mind.

For that place, and to the people Lincoln needed to get to vote for him, he was radical -- and lost several elections, because of it.


Actually, though Lincoln did parse words at times, overall, read his FULL speeches, and see, LIncoln was kicking slavery in the ass sideways, from 1846 on, when he stood up as a fresman Congressman, to President Polk, and called him on expanding slavery, via the Mexican War.

In fact, where he was, and where he was, LIncoln was radical as hell, and he had to be careful or he would have been shot much sooner.    

Those who claim LIncoln was not against slavery -- are you nuts?  NO one else did what he did, long before the Civil War. Lincoln essentially did nothing BUT travel around IL because of Kansas Act, and work to unseat the man who got it passed, Stephen A Douglas.

Lincoln gave over 2000 speeches, and his full speeches are amazing -- and for his time and place, radical as can be.

Others did speak more candidly -- but not in Illinois, and not where he did.   The big "abolitionist"  speakers would not dare go where Lincoln went -- they were speaking to audiences that already agreed with them.

Llincoln was speaking to folks who thought blacks were somehow not fully human. At the time, Illinois did not even allow blacks to move there into the state -- did you know that?

Many whites would not walk across the street to piss on a black person, much less fight a war to free him.   Lincoln had to change those folks mind, and get their votes.

Lincoln was shot, for speaking too candidly, about voting rights for blacks.   Booth changed his plan from kidnapping to killing, when he heard Lincoln speak of voting rights for blacks.

Did anyone ever tell you that? 

Douglass knew about that.   You probably did not. And there is much, much more. 

Swift?  Radical?  Zealous?  Determined?

Lincoln called "Negro Worshiper"  by New York papers.

 Lincoln's enemies at that time trashed him for just the opposite reason, a fact Lincoln detractors today, seem blissfully unaware of.


LINCOLN?  Radical to end slavery?  That's hilarious!  Poor Frederick Douglass, such a sucker.   Man, Lincoln conned that fool.

Lincoln ZEALOUS?   

Are you kidding!!  Everyone knows Lincoln was "reluctant" to free the slaves, and promised the South he was not out to destroy slavery where it existed.

Didn't Douglass know anything?

 Even the "Lincoln" scholars admit old Abe wrote that entire letter to Greeley, that he was out to save the Union. 



Border states did not matter, no matter what Lincoln tried to say. 

Lincoln SWIFT?   Frederick Douglass may have been a genius, but he was sure a dumb ass about Lincoln, even though he was there.  Lincoln was so slow to do anything. 

Who cares about border states?  Lincoln did say he hoped God was on Union side, but he really needed Kentucky on the Union side, or all was lost.

What did Lincoln know?  



Going where he did, and when he did, was radical -- even dangerous.  Lincoln's friend, Lovejoy, was killed for speaking too candidly against slavery.  Did you know that, or not?

No one ever told you that, did they? Douglass knew.

Lincoln himself was killed, after he spoke too candidly, for voting rights for blacks.   Booth heard his speech about voting rights for "educated blacks"  and changed his plan from kidnapping, to killing.

No one ever told you that, did they? Douglass knew.

See, it matters what the hell you know. It would help if those trashing Lincoln would know his full speeches and full actions, but they don't, and they seem to like it that way. 


POLK SALAD  1846 - 1865

 Lincoln had a long history of 1846 on,  of taking radical (for the time) stands.  He stood to President Polk,  actually accusing Polk correctly, of pushing for a war against Mexico, to steal land that would be used to spread slavery.

No one told you that, did they.

When Lincoln could not shame Polk and others from a war to spread slavery, Lincoln pushed  for Wilmont Proviso 40 times,  that would have kept slavery out of the areas US just stole from Mexico.  Lincoln was on the "shit list"   of slave owners ever after.

No one told you that, did they?

Lincoln as Congressman,  tried to end slavery in DC.

No one told you that, did they.

Did those who trash Lincoln -- or act like he didn't care about slavery, ever tell you about  12 years that Lincoln did nothing but speak and travel around, get into office, as President, then kick slavery in the ass?

You mean they forgot to mention that?   But they told you about a letter to Greeley, out of context. 

That whole "kicking slavery in the ass sideways"   meant nothing, right?   

Even after Lincoln could have kept the Union together, but STILL kicked slavery until it was dead dead dead, that was just for show.

That letter to Greeley means the 2000 other letters, the 2000 other speeches, don't matter.   


That some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested if he even spoke the words "slavery must end, for the war to end" -- that means nothing?

Get the full set of facts, and those who trash Lincoln, out of stupidity or malice, won't be so stupid.  

Frederick Douglass was smart enough to know the full story. 

Douglass knew  context -- like the fact some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested for simply saying the Civil War should end slavery.  Douglass knew full speeches, and mostly, Douglass knew Lincoln's full actions.



Guess who knew that?   Frederick Douglass (and of course, Greeley knew).    

Keeping the Union together would end slavery over time. Slavery was like a cancer, it had to spread, or it had to die itself. 

Southern leaders said the same thing -- but they used LIncoln's comments as justification to leave the Union and spread slavery outside the union, as their own "War Ultimatums" made clear.

Frederick Douglass knew that. You did not.


Also, at the time Lincoln wrote that letter, some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested, if he even said slavery should end, for the war to end. 

They did not say Lincoln by name, but they called for the arrest of anyone who said slavery should end, for the war to end.

Did you know that,  yes or no?  Saying slavery should end was some radical shit, until the last part of the Civil War.

And if LIncoln had spoken sooner, more candidly, the border states would have joined the Confederacy.

Did you know that?   Lincoln did, that's the big reason he had to speak carefully.

Guess who knew -- Frederick Douglass knew.


Douglass not only knew Lincoln, Douglass knew the scum what  Lincoln was up against -- North and South.


From Lincoln Douglas debates.  Douglas makes up stories about Lincoln's "Nigger" friends. 


Frederick Douglass was world famous before people across Springfield ever heard of Lincoln.   Except for Gettysburg, LIncoln probably never drew crowds as big as Douglass did, in Europe.

Douglass saw a slave women whipped continually until she died, while the owner, who was whipping her, shouted scriptures.

Douglass was not easily impressed nor fooled.

Douglass was personal friends with John Brown, and he was paid to speak to crowds in the US, once his friends could literally "buy him"  from his slave owner, who was also his biological father.