Tuesday, January 10, 2012

Trashing Lincoln --How, and Why?



Douglas must be stupid.   Right?
  Douglass claimed Lincoln was  


Lincoln was so badass, he killed the God of slavery,  a very real God, that the Southern states made it a crime to speak against.

Oh, you didn't know it was a crime in the South to preach or write against slavery?   Well that's one of the many things your history teacher should have told you, but probably didn't have a clue.


We have all heard it -- Lincoln didn't care about slavery, not really.

Lincoln was a racist, he was for white superiority, he wanted to deport freed blacks, he had to be "dragged"  into being against slavery.

You might be surprised to know, at the time, Lincoln's enemies were loud, and even violent, about Lincoln's "obsession for equality of the Nigger"   as Stephen A Douglas said repeated, to his face, in front of large crowds, during the Lincoln Douglas debates. 

Southern newspapers and speakers said Lincoln was such a "Nigger lover" that Lincoln was going "to exterminate" the white race, just by being against the spread of slavery.

Your history teacher, of course, SHOULD know this, and teach it, but as far as we know, not a single US text book reports the violence, death threats, and eventual death of Lincoln, as the result of LIncoln's "obsession for equality".

Even your history teacher will say some things about Lincoln's "ambivalence"  or reluctance to free the slaves,  because you can piece together some edite quotes, ignore the full speeches and mostly, ignore his actions.

 Some folks loathe Lincoln, claiming he was pro slavery, and only used the popular hatred of slavery to get power. 

Actually, as Frederick Douglass knew, and many knew, Lincoln had to speak -- at certain times -- in a very careful way, or he would have gotten a bullet in the brain sooner.  His friend Lovejoy was killed by not speaking carefully.

Lincoln eventually got the "Bullet to the brain"  he would have gotten sooner, because he spoke too bluntly about voting rights for blacks, in a speech John Wilkes Booth heard, and changed his plan from kidnap, to kill.

Even then, Lincoln spoke carefully, in the speech Booth heard.  But it was too radical for Booth.  Any talk about voting rights for blacks, was as bad as Lincoln wanting your daughter to sleep with "niggers"  according the Stephen A Douglas. 



If you ONLY went by edited quotes, out of context quotes, and paid no attention to Lincoln's full quotes, full letters, full speeches, full documents, you can make Lincoln seem any way you want -- he gave over 3000 speeches, wrote hundreds of letters. Just like people can make the bible say anything it wants, to sound religious, so too can people make Lincoln say anything they want, to sound smart about him or the Civil War.



And Douglass backed it up -- he explained  how radical Lincoln was. How swift. How zealous.



Lincoln was "radical Nigger lover who will cause the extermination of the white race"




This is a perfect example.  See the clip. 

 Yes it's a movie clip, but it's highly accurate for the quotes, and captures what Douglas (Stephen Douglas) and Lincoln were speaking of.

If  you would rather, read the entire transcripts of Lincoln-Douglas debates, not the ones that edit out Douglas repeated rantings, in Trump like boasting, that Lincoln loved the "Nigger" and wanted "your daughter's to sleep with Niggers".

To understand Lincoln, or the Civil War, you need to know who was killing who, and why, from 1854-1861.   That would be a big help.

Also, who was helping the killers in Kansas -- such as the 1000 Texas men sent to Kansas in 1856 by Jefferson Davis, to enforce the laws of the "bogus legislature"   which made speaking or writing against slavery a crime, enforced by mercenaries (hired men) and led by US Senator David Rice Atchison.


Frederick Douglas, of course, knew all that. 

You likely learned about Lincoln-Douglas debates, and your "history teacher" might be so proud he knows some little detail, like at Knox College, both men had to use some kind of scaffolding to get situated, or some such drivel.

Not one word will you find of anything meaningful, like Stephen Douglas (one S) was all but calling for violence against Lincoln, and had been recently at the beating of US Senator Charles Sumner, and was happy about that beating, on the Senate floor.

But Frederick Douglass, of course, knew all that.  You did not,  your history teacher did not.

When Lincoln rose to speak -- especially after Stephen Douglas and whipped the crowd up as much as he could to hate and fear Lincoln -- he did  have to parse words.   Most people in the audience had never seen a slave -- did you know that?  Most people in the audience didn't give a damn, and would not piss on, as slave if they were on fire.

And many of the men were terrified that blacks would take their women.  You did not know that, did you?  It's never taught.

But this a theme of those against Lincoln, at the time.  Not just Lincoln, but anyone who was against slavery, was taunted in likewise manner. "Negro Worshiper"  was a common refrain.

In the South, LIncoln was accused of trying to "exterminate the white race".   

Did you know that, or not.  Publically, to cheering crowds, Southern leaders would claim anyone against the spread of slavery -- against just the spread of slavery-- would exterminate the white race.

Douglass knew that.  Douglass (two s's) lived daily, hourly, in that atmosphere.  He and Lincoln would be surprised that this basic aspect of life, and fear mongering, would be entirely glossed over in history.

In fact, Southern leaders not only promised to kill to spread slavery, they promised to kill to stop people from even speaking against slavery, in all Southern States, and in Kansas.

Some Southern leaders, including the governors of Florida, Georgia, and Jeff Davis himself, spoke of killing all freed blacks.

No one ever mentioned that, did they?

Guess who knew all that?  Frederick Douglass. And Lincoln. 

Douglass  was a former slave, escaped after he saw a woman whipped to death by the owner, show shouted bible verses.

Douglass was not easily fooled.

Douglass knew things, a million things, large and small, that are not taught, like Lincoln was taunted and hated for being a "Nigger lover"  who wants your daughters to sleep with "Niggers".

It was not some nut on the street that yelled in Lincoln's face, that he was a "Nigger lover"  who would destroy the fabric of society and push white women into the arms of black men.  It was US Senator Stephen A Douglas.

The film clip above is the  basic approach of both men, is well represented here, except for Douglas fear mongering about your daughter's sleeping with "Niggers"  is, and always has been, glossed over. 

Only Douglas (Stephen) was screaming the word "Nigger"   and they cleaned that up.

Lincoln wants your daughters AND WIVES to "be with Niggers"  Douglas would scream -- a very real fear, a very real hate, in 1858.   You could not possibly generate more hate and fear, than by this approach, and Douglas used it repeatedly -- and effectively.

Your history teacher, nor any US history book, tells you this, do they.

Show me 1 text book, One history book,  Anything at all, in high school or college level, that shows how relentless Lincoln was called "Nigger Lover" who wants your daughters to sleep with "Niggers"

   And Douglas was MILD compared to Lincoln's Southern enemies. Southern leaders claimed Lincoln was "the worst sort of abolitionist"   who was going to end slavery everywhere if he could.

Gee - maybe they knew something?



Show me 1 textbook that mentions it -- just MENTIONS that Lincoln was attacked politically in the North(and his friend killed) for "being obsessed with equality for the Nigger"  long before the Civil War.

You can't find one that mentions it, much less makes it clear. 

Show me 1 text book that shows Lincoln was accused, loudly, proudly, to his face, in front of large crowds,  of wanting your daughters to sleep with "Niggers".

Show me 1 text book that shows Lincoln's friend was burned to death, for speaking too candidly about freedom for slaves, and that Stephen A Douglas taunted Lincoln about this, in the Lincoln Douglas debates.

You won't find one.  NOT ONE.




If you don't think Douglas (Stephen A) was essentially urging the crowd to hate and fear Lincoln, if not attack him physically, consider that not long before the Lincoln Douglas debates, Douglas stood a few feet from Senator Charles Sumner, as he was beat almost to death on the Senate floor, and laughed about it, later.  Very likely, Douglas knew Sumner was going to be beaten that day. 

Then Lincoln had to speak. Remember that. Lincoln had to get up to speak after guys like Douglas just spoke -- he was the most powerful speaker of that era -- and had the crowd fearful and hateful.

No one mentions that.  Why the fuck not?  Probably because they don't have a clue.

But guess who did know?  Frederick Douglass knew.

Also, Stephen A Douglas business partner, and political ally, was the US Senator who got Kansas Act passed, then immediately went to Kansas and started his violence to make sure no one spoke or voted against slavery in Kansas.



In the Charleston debate, Douglas, well aware of the fear of black men taking white women had in that city, screamed these things about Lincoln wanting your daughter to sleep with "Niggers"  as Douglas went from side to side of the stage. in the most dramatic way possible.

This was a basic approach Douglas used to some extent, in the debates, and when he spoke around the country without Lincoln being there. In some places he would be more extreme - some say he was drunk -- but always, in each speech, his goal was to get people to fear anyone who was against slavery.   

Douglass -- Frederick Douglass -- knew what Lincoln was up against.   


That was in the newspapers at the time, and was no surprise to anyone.  Fear of black man sleeping with your daughter and "being with" your wife, was the common retort to anyone who was against slavery.  And it worked.  

The fear and hate mongering by Douglas, worked very well.  Lincoln lost that election, and would have lost the Presidential election too, if the hate and fear mongers did not split the pro slavery vote three ways. 



Scaring the crap out of the males in the audience -- the only ones that could vote -- worked. Despite all his efforts,

  Lincoln had to use humor and much of his time, deflecting this claim he wanted "your daughters to sleep with Niggers"

 Lincoln lost to Douglas in the Senate race, and would have likewise lost in the Presidential race, but the pro-spread of slavery folks had three candidates. 

 Lincoln was the ONLY candidate against slavery, with the very mild platform of no spread of slavery.


White people were still being killed, even in the North for being "radical abolitionist"  .

Abolitionist -- the child molesters of the day.

People don't realize it now, but to be called an abolitionist in some areas then, is much like being called a child molester now. 

Today, we honor abolitionist.  

Have you ever heard our historians mention, at least in any meaningful way, how abolitionist was a term of scorn.  

Did any US textbook mention that even in the North, people were still being killed, tortured, drown, hung, for being "radical abolitionist"?

Lincoln's friend was killed by a mob in Alton Illinois, for publishing an anti slavery newspaper. The men who killed his friend, were who later Lincoln would speak in front of, in the Lincoln Douglas debates.

Did anyone ever mention that, much less make it clear?

 People were killed -- yes they were -- by crowds for being an abolitionist.

Lincoln himself was called "the worst sort of abolitionist"  and a "Nigger lover" "Nigger worshipper" who wanted your daughter to sleep with Niggers".

John Palmer, who with Lincoln started the GOP party in Illinois, wrote about this in 1890, not long before his death. He said even by 1890, people did not grasp what a vile term "abolitionist was"  and how violent people were, against abolitionist, or anyone called that.


To be an "abolitionist" in 1850-1860 was deadly in the South, and could be deadly in the North.

There were abolitionist speakers in the North -- but not where Lincoln was.

Nor would any abolitionist speaker even go, physically, to places Lincoln went, or talk to crowds Lincoln not only spoke to, but tried to get their vote.

Lincoln COULD have become an abolitionist speaker, gone to places that already agreed with him, and been more candid.

What the fuck good would that do? 

But Lincoln got back into politics BECAUSE of slavery, specifically the killing in Kansas, and the Kansas Act.

He had to be very careful what he said -- but he was amazingly powerful, stunningly powerful, in his speeches. Read all of the speech, not just edited bullhit, and know what the fuck was going on.

If you don't know how dangerous it was for Lincoln to go where he did, and say what he said, you really don't know shit about Lincoln or what caused the civil war.

Lincoln tried mightily to show the public what was going on -- how Southern leaders were pushing slavery in such a way, slavery would be all over the US, or in none of the US. 

Did you know, yes or know, that virtually everything in Lincoln Douglas debates, were about the SPREAD of slavery by violence and unconstitutional means?  Douglas was eager to "blow up" the debates into fear mongering about your daughter's sleeping with "Niggers,"  to take away Lincoln's main point, that Douglas  himself, and others, were pushing slavery into the rest of the US under the ruse of Douglas deception about "popular sovereignty".

The result is,  now, most people are perplexed upon reading the Lincoln Douglas debates. You will likely never hear your  history teacher tell you that Lincoln was exposing Douglas's duplicity on his charade of Kansas Act, and how Douglas and others were actually forcing slavery to spread, against popular sovereignty.

Douglas,  a master at Orwellian bullshit, would claim over and over he "just wanted the people to decide".     But as Lincoln and others showed, that is exactly the opposite of what Douglas was doing.  Douglas had written the Kansas Act with his business partner David Rice Atchison, who was in Kansas personally, and there, killing and terrorizing to PREVENT popular sovereignty. 

This was Lincoln's basic point -- that Southern leaders were pushing by violence and deception, what they could not push by constitutional means -- the spread of slavery. 

  Lincoln blasted the living **** out of slavery in this debate -- more than anyone else dared then, in that area,  while trying to get elected.  Your history teacher probably doesn't even suspect that, much less teach it.  

For those who claim Lincoln was not radical -- long before the CIvil War started -- they oddly can not show anymore more radical AND effective.   

Lincoln was able to actually change people's minds, in Illinois and the nation, to see what is not taught candidly today. The South really was killing and torturing, and were actually violently pushing slavery in a way that it would, by necessity, be "all or nothing".

If the US would allow Douglas and his partners push slavery into Kansas this way,  there was no earthly way to stop slavery from being everywhere.    The way the South was pushing slavery, and had always pushed slavery (by force and deception) was the immediate problem.

And Southern leaders AGREED!  As you will see, Southern leaders were proud of the machinery -- as Lincoln called it -- that would spread slavery to the entire US, and beyond, a very special kind of slavery -- first in the world, they bragged.  To spread slavery for GOD to the far reeaches of the US and the white world.  Another very basic truth about Southern leaders that is entirely white washed today.


Others said  " Lincoln is the worst kind of abolitionist ... and will cause the extinction of the white race"

Lincoln's radical actions to free the slaves will cause  us necessarily to exterminate the slaves "with our own hands." 

 The stupidit about Lincoln continues, like bullshit 

"Lincoln used slavery as an excuse to keep the Union together."

"LINCOLN was a racist  content to let slavery continue."



That stupid shit, Fred Douglass. He almost acts as if he were there, was a slave himself, knew Lincoln, and all that went on from 1846-1865.

Why learn from Fred Douglass?   The average Texas grade school kid knows more than he does. 





"Amazing how you can take a few quotes here, a few there, omit the full speeches, in context, and never mention his actions, and make Lincoln look any fucking way you want."

But when you know the FULL speeches, in context, and his FULL letters (all of them)  and know what was going on, it's a completely different story than all liars, and most pompous "historians"  (including Pulitzer Prize winning historians) tell you.

To understand Lincoln -- you need to understand what Lincoln and Frederick DOuglass understood:  who killed who, and why, is real history. Everything else is bullshit.

If you don't know who was killing who, and why, from 1840-1861, you have no business teaching history. Or writing about it. 

Welcome to  history, were "who killed who, and why"  matters more than bullshit. 




You no doubt have heard -- even been taught --Lincoln didn't REALLY care about slavery. Lincoln was a racist and believed in white supremacy.  

After all, didn't your high school teacher tell you that?

Or Lincoln  had to be "pulled" into being against slavery, and only acted to keep the Union together. Entire books, entire "history careers" are based on that.

The only way to be that stupid, is to NOT know or care about Lincoln's full speeches and actions.

Yes, Lincoln spoke  -- at times -- in ways that seem to confirm he had no concern for slavery.    But read his FULL speeches, and his personal letters, and you wont be so stupid.

In fact, you can probably not name anyone who was as radical and zealous to end slavery as Lincoln,  AND as radical for equality in an effective way.

 John Brown comes to mind? Not really. As Frederick Douglas wrote of his own good friend Brown, Brown's violence actually cost the efforts to end slavery in profound ways, as you would know if you knew about Brown and Douglass friendship.



Lincoln had the effective -- and necessary -- habit, of at first seeming to agree with something, then kicking the shit out of that sentiment.  He used that rhetorical ploy to placate and validate the feelings of the audience, but then challenged that sentiments, in the strongest way possible.

If you care to know about Lincoln, slavery and the Civil War, You need to read Lincoln's FULL speeches, and read all his letters. 

You also need to know his technique -- he used it so often, it should be called "The Lincoln head fake" or something like that.

People of that time were terrified of black men stealing their women.   Did you know that?  Very basic at the time.  

Southern leaders, including Jeff Davis, spoke of genocide of the black race, if they did not enslave the black race. 

Just like you need to read Southern War Ultimatums, speeches by Southern leaders boasting of killing to spread slavery, boasting of torture of slaves, threatening genocide, promising genocide of the slaves if slavery was not spread.

It's important to note -- and understand -- that Southern leaders were quite clear, quite proud, they were killing to SPREAD slavery. Not keep it. So many people today assume stupidly the Civil War had anything to do with keeping slavery.

Nonsense.  To the South, and they boasted of this, in context, loud and proud, and more, killed to spread slavery and boasted of that, too, there was one issue.  Spreading slavery -- spreading slavery for white survival, according to the leaders.

According to other leaders, spreading slavery for GOD, and biblical truth.

If you don't know about Southern War Ultimatums, don't blame me. Blame your history teacher.   Lincoln got back into politics BECAUSE of the actions of men who boasted they were killing to spread slavery.   Specifically, Senator David Rice Atchison.

Did you know that?

Lincoln had the effective -- and necessary -- habit, of at first seeming to agree with something, particularly in court cases and politics.

But then, Lincoln deftly -- often with humor -- would suddenly, but emphatically, kick the living shit out of that which moments before, he seemed to agree with.

Lincoln did this time, and time again.  He did it so often, and so well, and is rather unique in history for doing so, that historians should have a name for it.   But sadly, most don't seem to grasp this "Lincoln rope a dope" as we call it, was LIncoln's most effective tool.

Lincoln never fired a gun, in the Civil War, though he was shot at several times.  His weapons were words -- and the way he used them.

His "Lincoln rope a dope"  is central to understanding Lincoln.   And it's the only reason liars and stupid fucks can trash Lincoln using his quotes.


If you want to play word games about LIncoln -- FINE. Get all the words.  In context. And compare those to others. 



Douglas (Stephen A Douglas)  made it quite clear, over and over, that LIncoln was obsessed with equality for the "Nigger".

In speech after speech, Lincoln's enemies told the crowds Lincoln wants "Niggers" to sleep with white women -- your daughters.

Did anyone ever tell you that, at all?  
Fuck no.  NO one told you that.

Pieces of shit Southern apologist, and even "historians" trying to sound smart, will tell you only a tiny % of the words.

 Lincoln is powerful, even brilliant, and he kicks the living shit out of inequality.  He says -- ANY slave is equal to ANY white man.

No one told you about this?  Over and over, Lincoln would say any black is equal to any white, under the law.  Why the fuck not tell folks that?   Fucking hell, that's what Lincoln's basic argument was.


But the lying pieces of shit will leave out that part. 

Edit anyone, edit fucking Jesus, and they can made stupid fucks think that Jesus was pro devil. 

SO yes, you can take a few words here, a few there, and do not give context or the full quote. Happens all the time.  Over and over about Lincoln, because LIncoln gave over 3000 speeches.

But NO  ONE went where LIncoln did, when Lincoln did, and blasted the bastards who were pro torture, pro killing to spread slavery, pro religious lunacy.   We have never taught the insane ISIS like nature of Southern scum and Southern leaders.

Lincoln is accused of being a Nigger lover,  or worse, that he wants "Niggers" to sleep with your daughters. Did he want your daughters to sleep with "Niggers"?

FUCK NO.  But that is what Lincoln was accused of, repeatedly, to his face, in front of crowds.

Do you think  historians should tell you. Yes, they should, but they fucking dont.  Not in any meaningful way. And Southern scum "historians" are even worse, but guys like McPherson, Catton, Foner don't make that clear either.

Fuck heads. 

AFTER they accuse Lincoln of wanting to destroy the white race, AFTER they accuse Lincoln of wanting your daughter to sleep with "Niggers" -- Lincoln had to speak.

Do you grasp, yes or no?   Take your time.

Lincoln responds by saying he didn't say he was for perfect equality  --- he would have gotten a bullet in the brain a lot sooner if he had.  So Lincoln parses words. Read them close "I did not say I was in favor of perfect equality".

And that's right, he did NOT say that.  But then he kicks ass and says ANY slave is equal to ANY white man.

Do you wonder why they leave that out? Because they are ass wipes or stupid.  

Lincoln does not just mention blacks are equal to whites, any black is equal to any white, He YELLS that blacks and whites ARE equal. He YELLS that the lowest slave woman is equal to any white man.   

That's his central message. That is what the fuck he was doing there that day, and for years.

Maybe you should learn the whole story?


Nearly verbatim from the debates. 

But Southern leaders were the ones screaming out the ass that Lincoln was so obsessed with equality that he would -- literally -- destroy the white race.

No one bothered to tell you that?  Surprise, surprise.

Over and over -- to his face, in front of large crowds, Stephen A Douglas told crowds Lincoln wanted their daughters to sleep with Niggers. 

Lincoln's friend was killed for writing against slavery.Lincoln himself would be killed for speaking of voting rights for blacks.

In fact, compared to Lincoln, no one came close to being as effectively swift, radical, and zealous.   But to understand that, you have understand what the fuck was going on.

Others did speak powerfully for ending slavery -- but not to the people LIncoln spoke to, not where he spoke. In fact, none of the great "abolitionist speakers"  would dare go where Lincoln went, when Lincoln went.

Facts matter. Don't let ass wipes spewing bullshit make you hate people you should admire.

Meanwhile, Lincoln's enemies were claiming blacks were not even fucking human, but a species created by GOD to be the slaves of white men as biblical punishment.

Get the WHOLE fucking story, from original sources.  You wont be so stupid.  Most of the shit written after the Civil War is heavy on bullshit, edited quotes, and does NOT show how fucking dangerous it was to speak against slavery.


In all those examples, and much more, you can find an apparent quote or even letter, which backs that up.

But get ALL Lincoln's letters, ALL Lincoln's quotes, and mostly, learn what the fuck was going on, and you won't be so easily fooled.

Actions, of course, matter.  But in actions and words (when you get his complete words) show a fundamentally different story. 

In fact, Lincoln was kicking the shit out of slavery from 1846 on.  Not sorta, not kinda, not in a way.

Lincoln was hated -- from his first time in Congress, all the way tell they put a bullet in his head, for being radical against slavery.  

So how the hell do these "experts" claim Lincoln was "too eager to compromise"   "willing to let slavery continue"    if he was such a bad ass against slavery.

Because Lincoln was smart -- very smart.  And he waged the war the kicked the living FUCK out of slavery, so thoroughly, the Southern GOD of slavery died in the process.

And guess who said Lincoln was radical -- in fact obsessed-- for equality?

Guess who said LIncoln was "the worst kind" of abolitionist who would "destroy the white race"  by  his "love for the Nigger".

Go on, guess. 



If you want to be a bullshitter on LIncoln, it's no problem. Take a quote here, a quote from 6 years later, a letter at a certain time, ignore everything else, and you can make Lincoln seem anyway you want.

Northern and Southern folks HATED Lincoln -- and eventually killed him -- for being radical for equality.   No one told you that.  Lincoln took a bullet to the brain for being too radical -- he spoke of voting rights for blacks, and Booth changed his plan from kidnap to kill, because of that speech.

Did you know that?  

Evern NORTHERN newspapers trashed Lincoln for being a "Negro Worshipers".  Lincoln's friend was killed (burned to death) for writing against slavery.  He was trapped in his newspaper office, and Lincoln's enemies burned it down.

Douglas would say things like  "Lincoln is obsessed with equality for the Niggers,  loves Niggers more than he loves his own country"

John Brown comes to mind.  He was more radical, but he was caught in about an hour, and executed.  As Frederick Douglass himself said (he was a goof friend of Brown's) John Brown harmed the overall efforts to end slavery, by feeding right into the hate and fear mongering about slave rebelling and the killings of whites in an early slave rebellion.

Southern leaders had long warned that freeing the slaves -- or even not spreading slavery -- was going to destroy the white race.  Did you know that?  

This was quite well known at the time.  The governors of Florida and Georgia wrote about this, at length.  If Lincoln just stopped the SPREAD of slavery, blacks would get their freedom and kill or degrade the white race, take the white women, and whites would be massacred or "brought to the degraded condition of the Negro" .

I can't help it if you didn't know these things. 
Blame the fucking idiots who write history books in the US.  Not me.  I am tell you who killed who and why. And what Southern leaders proudly said when they were killing people. 

More than anything, Lincoln was effective. 

 He got the job done.  

No one else did.

  No one else was able to get the majority of Northern citizens to eventually agree that slavery had to go.  

Lincoln had to deal with that fear and hate of the black man.  So he did. Another speaker -- getting paid to speak like the abolitionist speakers were, protected in crowds that already agreed with them -- did not do any good, or slavery would have ended long before.

Learn his FULL speeches.  From 1854 on, Lincoln was hated North and South for being a "Nigger lover"  a  "Negro Worshiper".

His friend was burned to death,  he would eventually get his own bullet the the brain, for being so radical about voting rights for blacks.

No one told you that -- and much more.  Funny, because facts make a difference.  Learn real history -- who killed who, and why, is real history.  All else is bullshit.



Fat lot of good that would do.

Lincoln could have been more bombastic in many of his speeches. But where he spoke, when  he spoke, to whom he spoke, no one even came close.

Lincoln's full speeches are epic, powerful,  they changed the living fuck out of the US as it was.

IF he  had been more like John Brown's speeches, he would have been radical in every sentence, and shot a lot sooner.

Did you know that?



Did you know the great "abolitionist" speakers dare not go -- with good reason -- were Lincoln went, speak to who Lincoln spoke to?

No one ever told you that, did they?

Name one "fire breather"  who went to Kansas, as Lincoln did, when it was still illegal there to speak against slavery.

You probably had no clue Lincoln even went to Kansas, or that Southern leaders made it a crime to speak or write against slavery there.  John Brown even left Kansas -- and no big abolitionist went there.  

Guess who knew that?  Douglass knew.

Guess who didn't know that -- you.

Guess who didn't tell you that -- your history teacher, nor anyone else.

Guess why it makes a difference?

Because Lincoln was a radical MOFO.   If you learn his full speeches in those places, Lincoln was kicking slavery in the ass sideways, in very smart, very effective ways.

Lincoln's speeches were working, changing minds.  Too complicated?  Your history teacher never told you?

Literally, the big speakers of the day, would not DARE go places Lincoln did -- and Lincoln was running for office, trying to get elected, by people who would not piss on a black man if he were on fire.

In fact, Lincoln's friend was burned to death for publishing a 
newspaper that was too blunt about equality.

Lincoln  himself would get a bullet in the brain,  for speaking too bluntly about voting rights for blacks.

You didn't even know that, did you?

Guess who knew?

Frederick Douglas knew. 

And Douglass knew exactly what the fuck was going on. I doubt you do, even if you are a history professor. I have yet to see a  history professor who seems to grasp just how radical Lincoln was.  Why?  Because they endlessly refer to a few out of context quotes from various speeches.

They ignore his amazing actions, usually they don't even know.

They ignore his full speeches.

They ignore what the fuck was going on. 

They ignore that others were killed, as Lincoln would be, for being too radical for equality.

SO they never tell you.


   Gee, Douglass had to be stupid, right?   


Fred Douglas saw a woman tortured to DEATH while the master shouted scriptures.

Fred Douglas was world famous, long before Lincoln ran for office.

Fred Douglas didn't take any bullshit.   He respected two white men in his life.  One was John Brown, the other was Abe Lincoln.

OF the two, Douglas said, Lincoln was far wiser in the way he fought slavery.   In fact, Douglas said Lincoln was "radical, swift, zealous and determined" to end slavery.    Only Lincoln did it with more brains, and was effective.



1846 -- and for the next 19 years -- Lincoln was kicking slavery in the ass, as hard as he could, where he was, when he was.

That's not how you are taught, however, because often "historians" don't even mention Lincoln's full actions and words at the time.

Frederick Douglass knew a hell of a lot better than you do, what the fuck was going on, leading up the the Civil War.

Probably 99% of Americans have no clue that the "Mexican American War" was a war to double the size of slave territory, and that Lincoln stood up to President Polk, and called him on that, specifically saying Polk did it to spread slavery.

Nor do 99% of Americans know that the spread of slavery was at the heart of everything going on from 1820-1865.   It was no some side issue, not even just a main issue.  It was everything.

And Lincoln said so.

And Lincoln was right.Every election, every bill, every dispute, every newspaper, every politican North and South, was focused on slavery.  Many in the North loved slavery and got rich on it.

When Lincoln could finally get enough support from the country, he kicked slavery so fucking hard, the God of slavery died.  Bet you didn't know that.

But yes, Lincoln AT TIMES parsed words. He had to pick his battles. He had to speak -- at times -- about Union. As if that's horrible. Meanwhile, his enemies were speaking that GOD ordained slavery and promised to kill to spread it for GOD.  You don't know that, do you?

Did you know about Southern War Ultimatums? No.

Did you know about Southern leaders proud speeches promising endless killing unless slavery was spread all over, North and South?


Did you know Southern states all made it a crime to speak against slavery, write against slavery, and they even made it impossible to SPEAK about slavery in Congress for 12 years.


Douglass knew that, and a million other things, you don't have a clue about 

Douglas knew that most white people would not piss on a black person, if they were on fire.   He knew too, that just to TALK about ending slavery could get you killed, North and South, if you were too blunt about it, in the wrong place.

Did you know, for example, that in most of the US, when Lincoln ran for the Senate, it was ILLEGAL to speak against slavery?  In all of the South, it was a crime, punishable by torture, to speak openly or preach against slavery.  

Most people have no clue.

Even in Kansas, when Lincoln ran for Senate, it was a crime to speak or write a newspaper against slavery.  Those laws stayed on the books -- and may still be there actually -- until after the US Civil War.    Bet you didn't know that.

Stephen A Douglas -- the guy from Lincoln Douglas debates -- repeatedly told the crowd that Frederick Douglas and Lincoln were with a white woman that day, in a carriage.    The same Stephen A Douglas told the same crowd "Mr Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with Niggers".

Today, right now, stupid people trash Lincoln -- for exactly the opposite reason.  And those are not all stupid people, some of those who trash Lincoln are just fucking liars, who make damn sure not to tell you Lincoln's FULL quotes, in context, and make damn sure they don't tell  you what Lincoln did.

Stupid people will tell you, Lincoln AT best ended slavery to keep the Union together, or that he "didn't really give a shit"  about slavery until the Civil War was almost over.

You can only say shit like that, by deception. Show ALL of Lincoln's speeches, and show what was going on, mostly show what Lincoln DID, and you can't say shit like that.

See what those fucktards never tell you....... 



Lincoln was effectively kicking slavery in the ass sideways from 1846 on, when he stood up to President Polk and rightfully accused him of killing to spread slavery, and creating a war to do it, against Mexico.


From 1858 on, in fact, politicians North and South claimed Lincoln was "obsessed with equality for the Nigger"


The big gripe against Lincoln, North and South, is that he was a "Negro Worshipper".

Lincoln had the audacity to say blacks should be considered equal under the law -- things he could have been killed for, and WAS eventually killed for.

Lincoln was vilified in the South as someone who will "exterminate the white race -- even in the North Lincoln was derided as "cares more about the Nigger than his own race ".

Most people -- even today -- have no clue that at the time Lincoln ran for Senate and President, it was illegal,  a crime, to speak against slavery, and the punishement was torture.

Did you know that?   In all of the South, and in Kansas, Southern leaders had made it a crime --yes, punishable by torture -- to speak, preach or write against slavery.  

Very basic -- and very well known at the  time. How has this escaped notice in any US history text book?

Because Southern liars and crybabies have never allowed the  harsh truth about their heroes to be mentioned in US text books, other than in vague and or bullshit terms, if at all.


Was Jeff Davis stupid?   Davis and others   said Lincoln was "the worst kind of abolitionist".

Was Jeff Davis lying, stupid, or just didn't know??


Was the Vice President of the Confederacy stupid?   Alexander Stephens  said Lincoln stood in the way of God's will to spread slavery to the entire white world. 

Yes, God's will. Stephens and Davis both -- both-- boasted that the Confederacy was based on the SPREAD of slavery as God and nature intended.

Oh, no one told you that either?   

Stephens and Davis were both very specific -- see below.  Their type of slavery was GOD'S type of slavery.  Perpetual slavery, where the children born are also slaves, in perpetuity.   No matter how light skinned a child is, for example rape of slave women, a slave "issue" --  a child--  is a slave, and any "issue" from such children are slaves by the will of GOD.

Furthermore, Stephens famously said- - Southern slavery is not only GODLY -- but Godly because white man is supposed to punish the black race for biblical sins.

You heard right.  And they BOASTED of this,.  And much more, till they lost. 


Was the  Confederate Secretary of State (Toombs) stupid?   He said Lincoln's refusal to allow the spread of slavery into Kansas --Kansas had rejected slavery by 95% -- was going to "exterminate the white race".

Oh, no one told you that?  Gee, surprise surprise. It's almost like Southern crybabies would not allow anything in our history books,  that their own leaders were bragging about the ass about, at the time.

So -- unless you know what the FUCK was going on, and you sure don't hear any of this in your school or from "historians" who suck up to Southern apologists even today --  you don't know shit.

Really, you don't know shit. And yes, "historians" are too stupid, or too busy with bullshit, to tell you bluntly, about Southern leaders actions, killing sprees, and much else. It's as if they are still afraid to speak bluntly about Southern leaders and what they boasted of at the time.


You can make Lincoln SEEM any way you want, by selecting four or five quotes, out of context, and ignore his actions. Happens a lot.

But at the time -- Northern and Southern newspapers, Northern and Southern politicians, accused Lincoln of being "obsessed with equality for the Nigger".

Lincoln better watch what the hell he said, and to whom, or he would have been shot a lot sooner than he was. And yes, he was shot for speaking too bluntly. Hell, your "history" teacher never even tells you that.

To get elected -- and to not get shot sooner -- Lincoln learned to parse words.  So he did.  Others did not parse words as well, and were killed, like Lovejoy, Lincoln's friend, burned to death inside his building where he printed an antislavery newspaper. 

It was ILLEGAL -- a crime -- to publish anything like that in most of the US at the time. DId you know that?  It was legal in Illinois, but still pissed off some folks, so they killed Lincoln's friend.

When Stephen A Douglas reminded the crowds -- again and again -- that Lincoln was friends with Lovejoy, he was doing  all he could to ferment more hatred against Lincoln.  No one told you that, did they?

And unless you knew US  history very very well, you would not grasp that by yourself.  But Douglas -- almost in every sentence - was urging the crowd to hate and fear Lincoln.  And it worked. Douglas won that election.

In fact, Stephen A Douglas -- repeatedly, to Lincoln's face, in front of crowd after crowd -- accused Lincoln of not only being obsessed with equality, but told the crowd Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with "Niggers".

In Charleston, Douglas went from side to side of the stage, slobbering and clearly drunk, yelling  in a way only Douglas could, that Lincoln would have black men marry your daughter.

LIncoln gave 3000 or so speeches.  In those speeches were over a million words, many of them written down.  A few words here - out of context -- a few words there,  and you can make him say whatever you want.


You are never told this -- but it was common knowledge, North and South, at the time.

Ending slavery would let black men on the same sidewalk, as white women.  Southern leaders were eager to bounce upon this fear.   The white race will be exterminated-- not sorta, not kinda, not maybe.  

Just stopping the SPREAD of slavery would exterminate the white race!   That is how crazy and fearful Southern leaders made people in the South.  

Stephen A Douglas was eager, glad, and loud in calling Lincoln a "Negro Worshipper"

New  York papers called Lincoln a Negro worshipper -- a common refrain actually, to call anyone against slavery "Negro Worshiper".

In fact, Southern leaders would accuse each other of being "Negro Worshippers"  if they were not suitably rabid.    Southern leaders competed -- and had to compete -- to be the most extreme.  Very much like hate mongers compete today, in the GOP and Tea Party.  If you are not hateful enough -- the next guy will be.

This, of course, was exactly the big fear.   This fear of black men taking white women was not a side issue -- end slavery, Douglas and others said -- and you will have your daughters taken by black men, your wife will be able to talk to black men, etc. 

But even that -- even just stopping the spread of slavery, was "burning us to death" over a slow fire.

So Lincoln had to be very careful how he spoke. He spoke with amazing power -- see  his FULL speeches.   But you can take a sentence here or there, twist it, not show the full quote, and not show his actions, and make people believe anything, anything at all.

But if you know ALL of Lincolns full quotes -- not the edited shit used by lying bastards and dumb asses --- you can't make Lincoln seem that way.  Lincoln was a RADICAL mother fucker, in fact, no one even came close to Lincoln for radical effective action.

Yes, most of the quotes by Lincoln haters and detractors are true -- they have changed a word or two, but for the most part, Lincoln did say, on a give day or in a given letter, the things they show.

They just don't show - and probably don't know -- the rest of the speech, where Lincoln would do an amazing  "about face" then kick the shit out of that idea he just expressed.  He would SEEM to agree with a common sentiment, over and over he did this.  

Then in the next sentence, or later in the same speech, Lincoln would obliterate that.  For example,  on the very common notion free blacks could be deported in mass to Libera.  Very common sentiment -- because Southern leaders had spoken about genocide against freed slaves, if they were free (bet you never heard that)

So in his Peoria speech, you can take a sentence out -- many do -- and make it seem like Lincoln agreed with that. But later in the speech, he shows that is horribly unjust and not workable. 

His main focus was to first stop the killings and tortures used by the South to spread slavery. I doubt many people reading this know anything about Southern killing sprees -- some paid for by Jeff Davis was he was Secretary of War -- to not just kill to spread slavery, but to kill to silence opposition to slavery.

Lincoln spoke about those killings, too.  Southern leaders were actually very proud of them, bragged about them, at the time.  Lincoln wrote about the people involved in those killings- - someone wrote him and said we need to kill all those people who are killing to spread slavery.  Lincoln wrote back -- do you know what he wrote?

No. You don't.

YOu need to understand the facts of 1846, who killed who, who tortured who, what did Southern leaders brag about and do -- to understand Lincoln.  And if you don't know that, you really don't know shit.

You came to the right place, because I will tell you the things commonly known then -- commonly  bragged about by the Southern leaders -- that you never heard of. 

Not only did Frederick Douglass claim Lincoln was "radical" to end slavery -Lincoln's enemies, including Jeff Davis, said so too. Emphatically. Repeatedly.



Stephen A Douglas, called Lincoln "obsessed with equality for the Nigger"  and "The worst kind of abolitionist."  He said it repeatedly, at length and in context.     Maybe the most emphatic Douglas (Stephen A Douglas) got, was in Charleston Illinois, during the famous Lincoln Douglas debates.  There, Douglas went from side to side of the stage SHOUTING, with great clarity and volume, spitting out the words, a reporter said, that "Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with Niggers". 

And it worked. Douglas won that election -- and would have beaten Lincoln again, using the same "Nigger lover" approach, but this time, four people ran, Lincoln was the only one against slavery.  The pro slavery candidates divided up the 60% of the vote.  


What did Douglass know -- that would make him say Lincoln was swift, radical, zealous and deternined to end slavery?   

Turns out -- Douglass knew what the fuck was going on.

   You probably do not, if you were educated by US text books, and US teachers.  Most do not seem to have a fucking clue what was going on.

Like these "details"

1)  Southern War ULtimatums.    There is not a single text book in the US that even mentions Southern War Ultimatums, issued in 1861, and reported proudly in Richmond Newspapers as "THE TRUE ISSUE".    





Not one of the "scholars" or dumb asses who trash or belittle Lincoln ever -- ever -- ever -- mention why Lincoln got back into politics, and who was killing and torturing who, from 1856 on.

Very basic -- Southern War Ultimatums and their killing sprees, not only to spread slavery, but to silence anyone speaking against slavery, even in free states, is something these bastards simply omit.  

Or -- the sneakiest bastard in this regard, is Southern apologist and Jeff Davis apologist, James McPherson.   Yes, McPHerson has never written an honest sentence, much less paragraph or book, about Southern leaders -- their bragging, ISIS like, of torture, they bragged of killing. Jeff Davis paid over 1000 Texas killers to invade KS.  The way McPherson writes about these facts - there was "disagreement"  that "led to violence",

What the fuck?   Davis hires 1000 killers when he was Secretary of War, sends them to Kansas, led by US Senator David Rice Atchison, who there, in Kansas, boasts out the ass he is there to kill and torture to spread slavery, and McPherson tells you that by saying things like "disagreement". 

Fucking ass wipe.

McPherson briefly mentions -- but never makes it clear -- what Southern War Ultimatums were.  Not one word about Southern leaders  -- including Davis, bragging or justifying the killing sprees, killing sprees not only to spread slavery, but to silence all opposition to slavery.

The fact is, people were being killed -- and Lincoln eventually would be killed -- for speaking for equality for blacks.   These same folks who trash Lincoln never tell you even that much, that Booth changed his mind from kidnap to kill, when he heard Lincoln speak about voting rights for blacks.


Are not historians supposed to tell you what  happened -- and for the Civil War, who killed who, and why, is basic.  Get that right then add all the bullshit you want.

These guys don't get the basics right, they just lay on the bullshit.
Seriously, how the FUCK do you leave out Southern War ULtimatums -- war ultimatums that were not only spoken proudly, and headlines in Southern papers then, but acted on - Southern leaders killed and tortured BECAUSE some people refused to obey their War ULtimatums.

Did you know that -- ever hear of that?  FUCK NO.

But that is just tip of iceberg.

2) Lincoln was called "obsessed with equality for the Nigger" more times than he could count.   Douglass knew the hatred and fear in the NORTH that Lincoln had to deal with.   Lincoln's friend -- and hundreds of others -- had been killed  or tortured or jailed for speaking too bluntly about equality.    You have never been told any of that. But it was common knowledge then -- and Southern leaders were PROUD of the violence against anyone who even spoke about equality.

Did you know that? Did you know people were still being killed, for speaking against slavery in the US,  up to and through the US Civil War?

No -- you had no fucking idea. Your history teacher never told you because they don't know.  But Douglass knew -- everyone knew how violent the pro slavery lunatics were, North and South.

WTF?  LIncoln radical to end slavery???

WTF  Lincoln zealous?

WTF  Lincoln swift?


  Douglass has to be stupid.  Did he not  hear about that letter to Greeley? Lincoln was keeping the UNION together!

  Did Douglass not know those 10 sentences (picked out of 3000 speeches )?     


See, Douglas knew things your "history teacher"  never mentioned,  like how Lincoln was called "Nigger lover"  and "Negro Worshipper"   who "wants your daughters to sleep with Niggers."

Douglass was no one's fool --  saw women whipped to death, chased to Europe, became the most famous AMERICAN in Europe for years,  and focused his entire life on slavery and equality for blacks.

Douglass also knew the situation -- he knew Lincoln's political enemies..

Mostly, Douglass knew that most white men would not walk across the street to piss on a black man -- and that white men were scared shitless that black men would, to be blunt, take the white women.   That's now how historians would tell you, but that's exactly what was going on.

Over -- and over -- and over -- Lincoln was accused of WANTING your daughter to sleep with black men.

No one told you that.  And that was what Lincoln got from Stephen A Douglas, openly, repeately, in the Lincoln Douglas debates!!  Not some sly comment in private, but as loudly and proudly as Stephen A Douglas could shout, that is what he shouted. Lincoln. Wants. Your. Daughters. To Sleep With. Niggers.

That is what Stephen A Douglas said, and there is not a single US text book that has the balls to tell you.

In the South, from Lincoln's Southern enemies, it was even worse, if possible. Lincoln will destroy the WHITE RACE by having your daughters sleep with "Niggers".

This entire aspect of our history is whitewashed -- not even mentioned.  Yet it was the heart and soul of the hatred of Lincoln.

So when Lincoln got up to speak, Stephen Douglas had just incited the crowd to hate Lincoln. Lincoln had to respond -- and he did, very powerfully, too.

But you have to get Lincoln's FULL quotes so you wont be so stupid.  US "historians" like Foner, McPherson, and others,  have never done that -- no, they have not. Instead these cowardly bastards try to tell you LIncoln was not "really" against slavery or some such drivel.

Fucking hell, someone should bitch slap those bastards, because no one kicked slavery in the ass like Lincoln. Lincoln used his words very carefully -- and wisely.   Yes he parsed his words, so you can take him out of context like most dumb asses, and many "historians" do.

But if you learn ALL his words, and mostly his actions, Frederick Douglass was right. Lincoln was radical. Lincoln was zealous. Lincoln was swift. 

To put it bluntly, Lincoln kicked slavery in the ass sideways like a mother fucker.   It's time people realized that.  



Frederick Douglass knew things that no one ever told you, because he lived it. Every day, every hour of every day.

He really didn't give a shit what some book said 100 years later, or what some "history" teacher read in such books.



Telling folks that Lincoln wants  your daughters to sleep with and marry with "Niggers"  was Stephen Douglas way of trying to scare the shit out of Lincoln.

It worked. 

  Lincoln had to parse words -- but even when parsing words, Lincoln brought down the thunder.  Years later people could edit quotes, chop apart this, remove the context, and make Lincoln seem horrible.

No one left a Lincoln speech or debate with any confusion whatsoever.   No one walked away and  was confused.

You'd have to read Lincoln's full speeches -- in context.   And learn his actions, 1846 on.  


Did you know Lincoln was called "the WORST type of abolitionist" by  Southern leaders?  No.

Did you know that blacks were killed in the South, when Lincoln simply gave his "House Divided" speech -- where he said slavery had to end, or the Union had to end.

And Lincoln said -- the Union will NOT end.  Southern leaders went bat shit. Did anyone ever tell you that?   Southern leaders called this an "ACT OF WAR"  that Lincoln, then a Senate candidate, would dare say the Union or slavery would last, but not both. One would have to go.

No one ever told you that, did they?

Did you know Lincoln's friend was killed -- burned to death -- for writing a newspaper against slavery, in IL?  No.

Did you know Lincoln went to Kansas, where people were still being killed for speaking against slavery, and there, spoke against slavery?   No.

These are the kinds of things Frederick Douglass knew very well, and you never heard of.


 Do you know who accused Lincoln, to his face, in front of white crowds, that Lincoln wanted your daughters to sleep with "Niggers"?

No -- but Douglass knew.

In fact, Lincoln was lucky he was not shot a lot sooner.  Bet you didn't know that, either.

Did your your  history teacher ever tell you that Stephen A Douglas, again and again, to Lincoln's  face, and in other speeches, told the public Lincoln was obsessed with equality, and wants your daughter to sleep with and marry with Niggers.

No, your history teacher never told you a word about that. Probably has no clue.

Douglas (Stephen A Douglas) also insisted blacks were not even human beings -- not people, but property.   Therefore, Douglas said, Kansas could not reject slavery.  Later, Douglas had to change that line of insanity, but only after it backfired on him, and his train was met by large angry crowds, in city after city, from Boston to Chicago.

Bet your history teacher never mention that to you, either.

That's all been white washed, but was reported at the time very clearly, in papers at the time.

Lincoln wants your WIFE to walk down the street with "Niggers". 

New York papers called Lincoln the "Negro Worshiper".

No one ever told you that.  And much much.


 Douglas knew Lincoln was lucky he didn't get a bullet to the brain SOONER for his radical (yes radical, we show you) message to the public.

People today have no fucking clue how violent Southern folks, and Southern sympathizers were.  US Senator was beat on the floor of the Senate for speaking of things I tell you here.

Your history teacher SHOULD have told you -- 


You probably do not know -- your history teacher probably does not know either -- that blacks were being burned to death, and whites hung, for being against slavery.

Did your teacher ever mention that in all Southern states, and in Kansas, you could be arrested, tortured, and put in jail for just owning the wrong book? Hell no. You could be arrested and tortured for publishing anti-slavery pamplets?

Did anyone tell you that? FUCK NO.  And Lincoln went to Kansas and spoke against slavery, at a time doing so was illegal.

No one told you that, did they?

Hell no. 

Guess who knew all this -- and much more?

Frederick Douglass.

Guess who didn't know this -- YOU.  And likely your history teacher had no clue either.


It's only slightely overstating it, to say that at the time, in many areas (Southern Illinois one of those areas)  to be called an abolitionist was like today being called a child molester.

John Palmer, LIncoln's friend, wrote about this as an older man, saying that people of that day (1890) had no concept that just 30 years ago, abolitionist was a vile term in much of the US.  

No one, in fact, went were Lincoln did, and when Lincoln did, speaking as powerfully as Lincoln did. 

And if your history books weren't so full of bullshit, your text books would show you why both -- both -- Frederick Douglas and Stephen A Douglas called Lincoln radical.


Lincoln's basic message was -- keep the Union together, that will over time end slavery.  Slavery was a cancer, and Southern killing sprees, Southern War Ultimatums, were all about spreading slavery.  Stop that spread, and that has to end slavery.

No one -- absolutely no one -- seriously suggested the North should invade the South to end slavery by force.  First, there were not 100 men in the North that would try such a thing.   Southern leaders jumped up and down and accused Lincoln of that, saying if they could stop the spread of slavery, they could stop slavery where it already existed.

Stephen A Douglas, in the debates  called Lincoln, to his face "obsessed with equality for the Nigger"  and told the crowds "Mr Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with, and marry with, Niggers" 

Over and over -- in high school and college  history courses, the same crap -- Lincoln didn't really care about slavery. Lincoln was ambivalent.  Lincoln "evolved".  Lincoln was racist and wanted blacks to go back to Africa...   Lincoln used slavery to get public sentiment on his side for political purposes.


Yes, you can take a sentence here, and there, and make Lincoln seem anyway you like.  That's the game often played.

Sometimes Lincoln haters repeat quotes that leave out certain words,  but Lincoln DID say things that, taken out of context, make him look horrible.

But get all the words -- and more, get context, and Lincoln's actions, and you will see, Douglas, Douglass, and Jeff Davis were all correct: Lincoln really was a radical abolitionist.





Hundreds of times, Lincoln began 

And get the full words.   Lincoln was often very careful how he said something.

Lincoln's basic approach was to FIRST mollify a crowd, most of whom either hated blacks, feared black men "being with" their wives and daughters, or at best, did not give a shit.

Again, and again, and again -- hundreds times, Lincoln "set up" his powerful words for equality under the law, by seeming to agree with a basic fear or prejudice of the day.  So yes, if you get the quote from that part of his speech, and don't give the full words, scum sucking pigs can, have, and will continue to make Lincoln look horrible.

But get the FULL speech, in context.  You won't be fooled by the lying bastards, or those that repeat that bullshit.

When Lincoln went further, however, he kicked ass, he mowed down the sentiment he just seemed to agree with.

We MAY not be perfectly equal, Lincoln said, in COLOR. No duh.  PERHAPS we are not equal in intelligence.  

Lincoln's full message was this --    in our natural rights, protected by the Declaration of Independence any black person, no matter  how low, is equal to any white woman, no matter how high.

THese fucktards have taken part of Lincoln's words  -- deliberately ignored the full speech, and more, the full context.

Southerners,  -- you probably don't know this -- hated Lincoln because he was "the worst sort of abolitionist"  who deceived the public by claiming to be first for stopping the SPREAD of slavery.

Make no mistake, Southern leaders said Lincoln WAS "the worst sort" of abolitionist"

But Southern leaders shouted as loudly as they could -- Lincoln was not just a "Negro Worshipper"  but that Lincoln wanted to end the spread of slavery because Lincoln knew that would kill slavery where it was.

Do not believe Lincoln, they said. He may focus on stopping the spread of slavery -- but he is actually going to kill slavery, as soon as he can.  Keeping slavery from expanding will destroy the white race, and Lincoln knows it.


And they were right. 


Lincoln was hated -- at the time - for being a "Nigger lover"  who was "obsessed with equality for the Nigger".  And he was killed for his speech about voting rights for blacks.

Lincoln would probably laugh, if you told him 150 years from now, people will claim he was not really against slavery.  Or that he just used opposition to slavery to win political favor in the North.

People in the North did not, by and large, give a shit about slavery, and sure as hell were not going to fight to free anyone.   The South were the "tough guys".   They were violent, and threatening, and beating up US Senators. They were torturing slaves, promising spread of slavery in their War Ultimatums.  

Most people in the North would not walk across the street to piss on a slave.   Lincoln had to be very careful how he spoke.

There are books -- by "experts"---- who tell you Lincoln didn't care about blacks or slavery.   

Or that Lincoln brought slavery as an issue only late in the war.

Or that Lincoln only used ending slavery as political issue because it was popular (idiots, Lincoln lost elections and was eventually shot in the head because ending slavery was NOT popular.)

Others, seemingly "scholarly" books claim Lincoln was "reluctant" to end slavery and that really,  he wanted to send all blacks to Africa.
BTW - no, Lincoln and Stephen Douglas were not personal friends.  Lincoln hated him, with reason.   Lincoln knew full well Douglas duplicity in working with Jeff Davis and Davis Rice Atchison to spread slavery, but that's another story.

No one tells you -- have they - how dangerous it was for Lincoln to say many of the radical things he said. You are not told how radical Lincoln was -- for his time and place,  no one was more radical.

Even in books ABOUT Lincoln-Douglas debates, such as by David Zarefsky, somehow completely ignore Douglas amazing calls to, essentially, violence against Lincoln, which Lincoln handled well, using humor. 

For example, did you know Lincoln was hated  -- North and South -- by millions of people because, as some claimed he was a "Nigger Lover"  and a "Negro Worshipper"? 

  New York papers showed him as a goofy "Negro Worshipper"   and Stephen A Douglas told crowds, as Lincoln stood there, that "Mr Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with and marry with Niggers"

No one ever told you that did they?

ANd there is much, much more. 



We all know -- no one would be at all surprised -- that people cherry pick the bible. A few words here, tie it to a few word there, and you can make the bible say anything you want.

Same with Lincoln's 3000 speeches, and his letter to Greeley.

But get ALL of Lincoln's speeches, all of his letters,  in context, and more, his actions, and no one comes close, in being as effective and powerful as Lincoln.


The only white person more radical than Lincoln -- according to Frederick Douglass -- was John Brown.   And John Brown's approach got him captured in about 2 hours, and hung in two weeks.

Worse -- John Brown's raid actually militarized the South and gave the most extreme folks like Robert Toombs justification for their crowd pleasing hate mongering.  Frederick Douglass - a good friend of John Brown -- said Brown's raid hurt, and did  not help, the abolition cause.

Lincoln's was as radical - but smarter.  Lincoln had to speak more carefully, especially when and where he was.

Lincoln gave over 3000 speeches, and by leaving out his full speech, his full meanings, you can make Lincoln say anything you want -- as we show.

 Some of these idiots even claim Lincoln had slaves and that the South was anti slavery, Lincoln was pro slavery.  




AND -- to his face, repeatedly, Stephen Douglas said Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with "Niggers".

Gee -- someone forgot to mention the full story?

 Lincoln eventually got a bullet in the brain because  he spoke about voting rights for blacks. No one told you that, did they? 

Booth heard Lincoln's speech about voting rights for blacks -- and changed his plan from kidnap, to kill.  
And if Lincoln had spoke that way sooner, he would have been killed sooner. 



Yes, there were folks out East -- talking to people who already agreed with them, preaching to the choir. But no one going where Lincoln went, when Lincoln went there, saying what Lincoln said. How the hell have most "historians" missed that?


Frederick Douglass sure didn't miss it, that Lincoln was radical and zealous.  But largely, "historians"  in last 50 years, have.

Lincoln would be shot later -- and others were shot at the time -- for saying the wrong thing. In all Southern states, and in Kansas, it was still a crime, yes a crime, to speak or write against slavery. In Kansas, people were being drowned, tortured and hung for speaking against slavery.

We don't teach any of that.  Did your teachers tell you abolitionist were still being killed -- white abolitionist -- when Lincoln ran for office?  You had to be very careful what you said -- or  like Lovejoy, Lincoln's friend, you could end up dead.

You have to know that -- as Frederick DOuglas knew well (he published reports of such things daily in his newspaper, the Northern Star.).

Lincoln's love for, and obsession with, equality for the "N*gger" (the word Douglas usually used) was woven in, and the basic fear and hate mongering by Douglas. 

As you will see - Douglas said this, repeatedly -- to stir up hate and fear against Lincoln.  People were still being killed at this time for letting white women, be anywhere near a black man. 

These may be idle words to you , but at the time, it was like calling someone a "child molester".  Douglas was heaping scorn on Lincoln as no other words could have, at that time.

The fear and loathing of black men, being free and being allowed near white women, was a huge issue at the time -- and Douglas used that over, and over, and over.


Lincoln might  laugh -- and so would his enemies -- to think people 150 years later said Lincoln was not really against slavery.   Actually, as you will see, Lincoln was lucky he didn't get a bullet in the brain sooner. In the South, it was even worse...... 



Lincoln's friend -- Lovejoy -- was killed by a mob, for writing a newspaper against slavery. He was burned to death inside his newspaper building - he published anti slavery newspaper.  Some say he was killed first, but others said he was burned to death in the building.

In fact, Stephen Douglas slyly mentioned Lincoln's friend Lovejoy, in the debates.   Yes, he knew Lovejoy was killed for being too radical for equality.  

Douglas was doing his best "dog whistle" - tying Lincoln to a man who many thought was dangerous, Lovejoy. Rather like many today tell of Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, who was a radical in 1960's,

Always - always -- it was about black men being around white women. Douglas was blunt about that - Mr. Lincoln wants your daughters to "sleep with and marry with N*ggers"   

They don't teach you that in school.  So "history teachers" are too ill informed (aka stupid IMHO) to tell you. But that's exactly what was going on.

And it worked -- Lincoln was not elected to Senate, and furthermore, Lincoln was from then on seen as very dangerous man by many, especially in the South.

The term "Negro Worshipper" was common then, for just being against slavery.   Routinely, anyone in Lincoln's party was called "Black Republican" even in "polite" circles, in official documents by the South, such as letters from the governor of Southern states, to the people .

Murder of Lovejoy, Lincoln's friend.


Hell yes Douglas knew it -- and that's why Stephen Douglas again, and again told the public LIncoln was radical and obsessed for equality.

And Douglas used the Nword.  It was cleaned up in some papers, and in all history books, but some papers left "Nigger" in, and Stephen Douglas was well known for use of that word, even in the US Senate, both before and after the debates against Lincoln


And that was from NORTHERN folks, like New York newspapers and Stephen A Douglas.

  Lincoln will burn you to death by slow fire  .

From the South, Lincoln was called "the worst kind of abolitionist" who will "burn you slowly alive"  and destroy the white race.

As Robert Toombs said -- we (white race) are about to be "exterminated".   And the guy who would cause this was "radical"  Abraham Lincoln, by simply being against the spread of slavery into Kansas.


Pushing the envelope

No one did what Lincoln did.  

None of the great "anti-slavery" speakers went where Lincoln did - they went to places that already agreed with them,  mostly in the far east. Never in Quincy or Alton or Charleston.

Did anyone ever point that out? Those folks who trash Lincoln?


Did they show you the full speeches and context?


Certainly no abolitionist speaker went to Kansas,  as Lincoln did in in 1859, where people were still being killed for speaking against slavery.  It's amazing he got out of there alive, if you know what was going on in Kansas. Others were killed there, and Southern leaders boasted of that.

Only when you know the complete story -- not some slogans and out of context crap -- can you know how amazing Lincoln was.  Frederick Douglass knew what the  hell he was talking about -- your "history" teacher does not.

Lincoln's friend, Lovejoy, was killed for being outspoken against slavery. 

Lincoln himself did get a bullet in the brain, after his speech about voting rights for blacks, when Booth changed his plan, because he heard that speech, from kidnap to kill.

Gee -- your "history" teacher never mentioned that.

Guess who knew all this, and more??

Not your history teacher. 

Frederick Douglass knew it.   


You can take edited out of context quotes, and many do.  Play those word games, if you want, but get all the words -- and all the actions.

Lincoln was lucky he didn't get the bullet in the brain much sooner.


  See this....


As you see, you COULD take a few words here, and a few words from there, and make Lincoln say, "blacks are certainly not my equal".
This  movie clip  is edited so Stephen A Douglas says "Negro." 

Otherwise, the dialog is nearly verbatim, and show in context, with the meaning of both men faithfully expressed.

According to newspaper reports at the time, in two cities (Quincy and Charleston) Douglas spit the word "Nigger" out, with great emphasis

There is no mention of this in any US history text book, college or high school.   So how else would you know?  We got this from newspapers at the time -- and the speeches by Southern leaders, and Frederick Douglass,  at the time. 





Also  no mention that Lincoln operated in  time ENTIRELY under the Supreme Court order -- yes order -- that blacks were not human beings, not persons.  

That's another basic thing Douglass knew well -- everyone knew it.

But people today, do not.  

Dred Scott decision was far more vile than your history teacher probably bothered to mention. Douglas called Lincoln a traitor for even claiming blacks were human beings, BECAUSE the Supreme Court had ruled they were not human beings. 

That was Stephen Douglas logic -- and Jeff Davis.

The US Supreme Court had ruled blacks are not human beings. See below. NOT persons. Specifically -- by order -- NOT persons.

It did not suggest it -- did not mention it. The Court ORDERED it. Expressly ORDERED that.  

Most  history teachers look at you like you are out of your mind when you tell them. Then, you show them the decision, and how Jeff Davis/ Stephen Douglas used Dred Scott, and how they hated Lincoln for saying blacks WERE human and should entitled to all rights in the Constitution.
When you show them that -- clearly they never heard of such a thing --they act like they knew that.  They didn't know shit.

Douglas would pump Lincoln up as some kind of lunatic who WANTED - WANTED your daughters sleep with "NIGGERS"  as you will see.

That was in addition to his supposed "radical abolitionist" stance of claiming blacks should have all rights of Declaration of Independence.

By the way, the United States Supreme Court- - and Stephen A Douglas, repeatedly said the Declaration of Independence was "unconstitutional".  Another thing you never heard. In long drawn out speeches, the Declaration of Independence was unconstitutional.   Gee,  the things your "history teacher" forgets to mention.

After being called Nigger lover.  Lincoln was hit with all this.

After telling the crowd Lincoln wanted your daughters to sleep with Niggers.

After telling the crowd Lincoln was a radical abolitionist,
Lincoln had to get up and speak. 

Unless you know that -- and few people do -- you don't know shit about Lincoln, or Douglas, or what led up to the Civil War.



No one ever told you that. Frederick Douglass knew it, and much, much more.




   Measuring Lincoln by the "sentiment of his country"   Lincoln was swift,  zealous radical and determined.  

Douglass also knew Lincoln was not King.  He could, for example, end slavery be decree, or he would have.

Douglass also knew -- as did everyone alive in 1862, that Lincoln had to keep the border states in the Union.

If Lincoln did not keep those border states in the Union, the war is over.   The CSA  would be 3 times larger than USA.   

So Lincoln wrote that letter -- about Union.

Lincoln was called "Negro Worshipper"   and "obsessed with equality for the Nigger"  by Stephen A Douglas, repeatedly and to his face, in the debates.

When not in debates, Douglas accused LIncoln of being a traitor -- literally a traitor -- to the United States, for the crime of claiming blacks were human beings, and as such entitled to all the rights in the Declaration of Independence.

This was in "direct violation"  of the United State's Surpreme Court ruling that blacks were not even human beings, not persons.  The court -- as you will see below - affirmatively ordered, yes ordered, that blacks will NOT be seen as human beings (not persons).

As property, blacks are indistinguishable to dogs or bucket or a load of hay. They have no rights

 The person owning them has the rights. And slavery shall therefore, by a second order in the same decision, the federal government will protect slavery, even in areas that voted 95% against slavery.

That's right. There were two orders of the court, in Dred Scott. One, that blacks are not human beings, not persons. Two, that it did not matter at all, that 95% of the people in KS were against slavery, as they were, and as they voted.

That Lincoln would dare disagree with that -- Douglas said he was a traitor. And "obsessed with equality for the N*gger"

This was the reality of the life in 1858.   Both for Lincoln -- and for Jeff Davis.

 Jeff Davis, of course, was thrilled with Kansas Act and  Dred Scott court orders. He sent Atchison to Kansas, and got reports of how the killing was going.


And contrary to what some tell you (like Erik Foner)  no, Dred Scott was NOT about citizenship and a "rather narrow ruling".

Foner insists that Dred Scott was a "rather narrow ruling" about citizenship and Congress's ability to decide slavery in Kansas.

Oh shit.  Far more drastic.

Blacks are NOT HUMAN beings.  Eric "forgot" to mention that, though LIncoln, and Davis, and the decision itself makes that clear.


 Did Frederick Douglass just need to learn about Lincoln's letter to Greeley?    No -- he published Lincoln's letter to Greeley.

Did Frederick Douglass just need to learn about those quotes from Lincoln in Charleston, and elsewhere?

No, Douglass knew those quotes very well.


 Douglass knew the full story -- not the selected bullshit so many people spout today, out of stupidity and or out of hatred even now of "The War Of Northern Aggression".

Sadly it is not just Southern apologist who claim Lincoln "didnt really care"   The slanted out of context bullshit is repeated so much, people believe the distoms 


But when you see ALL Lincoln said, and know how Douglas was saying LIncoln wanted your daughter to sleep with "Niggers"  - no one in their right mind was confused.  

Lincoln did say -- she is "CERTAINLY NOT MY EQUAL IN CERTAIN RESPECTS"  . That's the part  quote.

 . That's the part  quote.

. That's the part  quote.

. That's the part  quote.

  But then he would reverse course and bring the thunder in the opposite direction.  


The equal of  any man.

The equal of every man.  IN her natural right -- in her rights under the Declaration of Independence -- she IS my equal. And the equal of any man.

That is a perfect metaphor for the tortured RHETORIC position Lincoln had to take.  The word game he had to play.

Try to grasp that.

No one ever left a Lincoln speech confused at all. He was FOR equality of the races under the law. Radically so. Profoundly so.

And his full actions, full speeches, make that clear.

His enemies -- to his face -- said he was a Nigger lover who wanted your daughters to sleep with Niggers.

His friend -- Lovejoy -- was killed for abolition statements.

Others were killed for abolition statements.  It was STILL illegal in 12 states to even give speeches like LIncoln gave.   And it was dangerous to speak too bluntly to people where LIncoln spoke.

The amazing thing about Lincoln is how powerful he was -- but you need to read the FULL speeches. And know what was going on.



The famous abolitionist did NOT speak where LIncoln did, when  he did. They stayed in Maine, New York,  Chicago,  and spoke to crowds that already agreed with them. 

People paid to hear them, no one paid Lincoln. But that was a minority of people that would turn out to hear abolitionist speakers.

This was no secret then. It's just glossed over now.





Stephen A Douglas. 


Lincoln had to be careful -- his friend Lovejoy had been killed by a crowd for his "radical abolitionism".   Most white people in Illinois had never seen a black person up close -- and it was illegal for lacks to move to Illinois.

 Lincoln had to prove he was not saying your daughter should "sleep with Niggers".  Politically, it was suicide in those areas to be too "radical".  

Lincoln, even when speaking carefully as possible -- was called "Nigger lover" who "worshipped the Nigger" by some who wanted to enflame fear and hate.

Make no mistake, said some Southern leaders,  Lincoln "is the worst sort of abolitionist"  that will destroy the white race.

Lincoln would have been arrested in South
Some in the North wanted him arrested 

If you believe Lincoln, "our fate will be that of whites in St.Domingo"  -- whites were killed by revolting slaves there, an event everyone was well aware of.

When they accused Lincoln of wanting your daughter to sleep with "Niggers," and told the crowds Lincoln was going to exterminate the white race --  Lincoln was actually in danger, and would eventually get killed, get the bullet in the brain, because he was for equality, NOT because he was against it.

Lincoln responded --with humor and dignity, quite a trick when the other guy is more or less urging the crowd to hate and violence.

Yes, Stephen A Douglas was pro violence, he had a role in the beating of fellow Senator Sumner, laughing at him as he was beat, and predicting he would be beaten that day, earlier.  It's likely Douglas and others planned for Sumner to be beaten the floor of the Senate that day, according to people there.

Lincoln did sometimes parse words -- but no matter how respectfully and carefully Lincoln would say things, haters like Stephen Douglas, Jefferson Davis, and dozens of Northern Congressmen would attack him anyway, pump up the fear anyway.

Still, Lincoln had to parse words.  If he had said "Hell yes, any black woman is equal to you idiots"  he would have been shot.

But he did say -- any black woman is equal to any white man, in a way you never  hear about. Instead, they misquote Lincoln, omit the stunning statement and actions FOR equality, from 1846 on.



In fact, there Northern Congressmen who wanted Lincoln ARRESTED -- let me repeat that -- ARRESTED -- if he even said the words slavery should end, so the war could end.   They wanted to end the war, but keep slavery.

Lincoln said no.

And Lincoln had long history of kicking slavery in the ass. He stood up to President Polk, when he was a Congressmen, and called him out for stealing land from Mexico - - in order to spread slavery.  No one told you that, did they?

Lincoln also tried to get slavery outlawed in DC, as a Congressmen.

Lincoln tried 40 times to get Wilmot Proviso passed, to keep slavery out of the newly stolen territory, stolen by Polk and the US military, to spread slavery.

Gee - for a guy who didn't care, he sure spent 1846 to his death in a funny way.




What Lincoln "evolved" on was not slavery, but his ability to kill it. 

In 1861, most whites would not piss on a black person if they were on fire, much less go to war to end slavery.

The governor of Georgia said freeing the slaves would mean blacks and whites would live together contrary to the will of GOD, and nature.  And black men would  be able to talk to white women.   That was not allowed before.  Did you know that. 

No one told you that, did they?


Douglass  knew all this. And he knew Lincoln got up and blasted slavery -- again and again, as Stephen A Douglas said "repeatedly, over and over"  LIncoln spoke about equality for the the "Nigger".


Making fun of Lincoln for saying blacks were equal to whites. 


As a result, Lincoln had to parse words, which he did artfully.  His FULL quotes are quite amazing, and his actions, even more so.

Frederick Douglass was well aware of LIncoln's quotes -- and his FULL speeches, where Lincoln brought down the power.   Compared to anyone -- anyone -- where Lincoln was, when Lincoln was, speaking to whom Lincoln spoke to, no one else came close.

He was radical.  Yes, at times he parsed words, but the overall message he gave was one that stunned those who heard.  Lincoln effectively changed the course of the  nation, with those words. 


Yes,  Lincoln did not talk about Union -- in that week of 1862, those four states were about to go to the Confederacy, because John Fremont declared slaves in Missouri free, on his own authority.  

Instantly people in the border states  had extra reason to join the Confederacy.  And if they did  and the war is over.   There would only be a few states in the Union, against an overwhelming number of states in secession.

The South wins. And as the South promised, they would spread slavery.

Lincoln DID say he was trying to save the Union. No kidding. Wisely so.

But he ALSO said saving the Union was the way to end slavery.  Douglass knew that.  The House Divided Speech was about that -- about keeping Union together to end slavery.

If the Union stayed together, Lincoln said, slavery would end.  If the Union did not stay together, slavery would spread to all of the US.


 Southern leaders said Lincoln would destroy the white race -- just by refusing to spread slavery into the West against popular sovereignty.   Kansas had voted 95% against slavery -- yet (see below for proof) Southern War ultimatums were that Kansas must accept and respect slavery. 


Stephen A Douglas , and Southern leaders, said such things for a reason --  it worked. It worked to make people hateful and fearful.   Your history text books -- not even movies about slavery -- show this aspect.

Any "Western" politician (Illinois was considered west, then) who dared to be against slavery, even just against the spread of slavery, had to be very careful what they said.

No one ever told you that, did they?


  Douglass knew the whole story.  Not just the bits and pieces your are fed. 




Douglas (one s) claimed Lincoln was a "traitor" for just saying blacks and whites should be equal under the law, because Dred Scott decision said blacks were not even  human beings (not persons) but property.

Lincoln -- and many others -- had exposed Dred Scott as a way to force slavery into all of the US.  Speeches by Southern leaders verify this, they did in fact use Dred Scott decision to justify spread of slavery into rest of the US.

Douglass knew that too.



Obsessed with equality for the "Nigger"?   Huh?

It was not just Douglas (Stephen A)  that claimed Lincoln would have white women sleep with and marry blacks.   There were dozens of Northern papers, including New York papers, that ridiculed Lincoln for claiming blacks were equal to whites.

Oh - -I know, I know --  you heard the edited quotes, which were true, but out of context.  Lincoln said a LOT  of things - -- as he had to, but he was radical as hell, for his time and place.  


Lincoln was "out there" on equality-- and said so, if you get all the quotes.  This was not a word game, but if you want to play the Lincoln word game, get all his words.

Yes, he parsed words. There are a dozen of so times, Lincoln parsed words so much, his advisors were disappointed.  Like in Charleston Illinois -- but  Stephen A Douglas had just spoken, and went from side to side on the stage, calling Lincoln the usual "Nigger" stuff, but even more so now.



Douglas was extremely good at getting crowds whipped into a frenzy.   

 You may not now know,  Douglas was all but inciting hate -- he kept mentioning Lovejoy/  You probably don't even know who Lovejoy was.

Lovejoy was killed by a mob in Illinois, for being too outspoken against slavery.    When Douglas brought  up Lovejoy's name - which he did repeatedly -- Douglas was pumping up the hate. Tying Lincoln to his friend Lovejoy was good politics for Douglas, and dangerous for Lincoln/

But more that Lovejoy -- Douglas said outright -- Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with Niggers. Most newspapers and all history books have cleaned that up.  

One paper -- in Quincy and another in Charleston -- reported how mean Douglas was when he 'went into the Nigger stuff'.   He did not just say it,  he shouted it, he had drool coming down his lip.   He went side to side, shouting it.

Since you have no idea of this --  and you only know part of Lincoln's FULL speeches and quotes -- it's easy to come to exactly opposite conclusion.

Lincoln knew those people in Illinois, particularly  central Illinois, where LIncoln travelled extensively, day in, day out, for years.

Lincoln could use humor to defuse Douglas rants about wanting your daughter to sleep with "Niggers".

Lincoln would have been arrested if he travelled South -- it was illegal, a crime (you didn't know this either) to speak publically against slavery in the South.




Yes, at TIMES Lincoln parsed words.  But he kicked ass anyway, even when he parsed words  

It's common for stupid people -- and sadly, even common for some "historians" -- to just take the parts of Lincoln speeches where he parsed words.

They run like cowards from words -- AND ACTIONS-- where Lincoln kicked ass. 

Lincoln STILL said blacks should have equal rights under the Constitution, even though Douglas was all but physically accosting him for it. Any black person -- no matter how low in social status, no matter how dark their skin - was EQUAL TO ANY MAN. 

WAS EQUAL TO ANY MAN. The lowest of the low in social order of the time, was equal, Lincoln said to the highest of the high in their rights under the Constitution.

Why leave that out?  Fucking ass wipe lying pieces of shit, thats why.

Again, and again, and again, Douglas would tell the public Lincoln was "revolutionary"  and a "traitor" for saying blacks and whites are equal under the law, when Dred Scott decision said otherwise.


 Lincoln was  in a dangerous world for abolitionist -- in fact, the term abolitionist was a vile term at the time, North and South, to most people.  

WE consider "abolitionist" as good, now.   But  95% of the white public did not. 

  Forty  years later,  in 1890's, people writing about that time, would try to explain this. Abolitionist was like calling someone a pervert, or that they wanted your daughters to "be with"  Niggers.

   In Kansas, Southerners bragged about killing every abolitionist they could find!  You could be killed, even in Kansas, even in IL, for being too "abolitionist".

   Lincoln, of course, got a bullet to the brain, after Booth heard his speech about voting rights for blacks.

So, no kidding, Lincoln avoided that term. He would have been killed much sooner, if he did  not.

  Stephen Douglas claimed Lincoln cared more about the Negro than he did about his own race. 



You just know a small part of it, now. 

So tell me, was Frederick Doulgass stupid?

Should he have just listened to your high school teacher for 10 minutes?   Maybe read that letter to Greeley?

Consider this -- Lincoln was not the only white person to die, for being too radical for equality. He is just the best known.  It's a shame people are  now so stupid they often claim Lincoln "did not care"  or was not "really" against slavery.




  Don't pretend you knew this already


If you think you know history, and you do not know that from 1857 until just before Lincoln was killed, that officially, by order of the US Supreme Court, blacks were not human beings -- you don't know shit about Abraham Lincoln.

It's not your fault you don't know.   But Lincoln knew. Douglass knew.  Most of the country knew this. 

Small sentences.  Big wars.  

That whole "by order of the court"  that blacks are not  human beings -- you never heard that, did you?

Yes, see more below.   

Stupidly, again and again, in every US text book we have seen, and by "historians" like Eric Foner,  this is glossed over.  Foner inexplicably claims Dred Scott was a "rather narrow ruling" about "citizenship".

Citizenship? Jesus, do you Orwell much?   It was whether blacks were human beings, or not. The court said NO -- specifically they are property. They are to be seen as property.

They are "SO INFERIOR"  no white man could possibly think blacks are in the same caste (Jefferson Davis said blacks are in a different caste, delivered by God to be enslaved).

But at the time, this was BFD, the BIGGEST BFD. 

Douglas again, and again, and again -- dozens of times, both face to face with Lincoln, and by himself, degraded Lincoln for his obsession for equality of these "inferior beings".

Did you know that? HELL NO. You do not know that. Don't pretend you ever even heard of it.  Because this information is not in any US text book.  You have to read the Dred Scott decision itself, and newspapers books and speeches at the time -- how Jeff Davis and the South used Dred Scott to justify their killing sprees into Kansas.  And how they justified their War Ultimatums -- see below -- on Dred Scott.

Narrow ruling, said Foner?  Unreal.  Jefferson Davis and Abe Lincoln sure as hell didn't think it was a narrow ruling.     

Why the hell do you think LIncoln explained this about 50 times, in his House Divided Speech and elsewhere?  Do you think he was kidding?  

If Dred Scott held, there was no way to stop the spread of slavery into free states. No,Lincoln was not wrong.

In fact, Southern War ULtimatums prove LIncoln was not wrong.  Southern War ultimatums demanded Kansas -- already a free state by then -- must accept and respect slavery.

You had no clue about that either, did you?   Yes, Southern WAR ULTIMATUMS demanded a free state accept and respect slavery.  Kind of a big deal.

Another basic fact, overlooked in US textbooks.


Lincoln and Jefferson Davis did not agree on much.

But they both agreed, and said, Dred Scott changed everything Because of Dred Scott's order (yes order) that blacks are not to be seen as human beings (as persons) but property,  AND because Dred Scott order (yes order) that the fed government actually protect slavery, even in places is was rejected (like Kansas), there was no way to stop the spread of slavery.

This is what Lincoln said in House Divided.   It was nothing unusual -- hundreds of others had pointed it out -- including Jeff Davis and Southern leaders.    Of course, the South boasted of it. 

Lincoln decried the decision and got the 13th Amendment to supercede it. Most "history" teachers can not even tell you why LIncoln needed the 13th Amendment. The answer, was to get rid of Dred Scott decision. 

Dred Scott was  "logic" behind Southern war ultimatums, too, that appeared in Richmond newspaper headlines just before the Civil War (as you know it) started.  See more about Southern War Ultimatums.

So the Dred Scott decision was perfect -- and as Lincoln pointed out -- made that way, like a machine -- to spread slavery where it was impossible to spread slavery before.   Now, because of Dred Scott, it no longer mattered one iota if the people of Kansas rejected slavery 95% or  not. 

The Southern War Ultimatums were specific -- Kansas must accept and respect slavery. Why?  The Dred Scott decision.

So no, Lincoln was not wrong. 

He knew what the fuck he was talking about, and so did Jefferson Davis. .

I can't help it, that you don't know.  This is exactly what leaders on BOTH sides were saying -- Lincoln in the North, and Jeff Davis in the South.  Not kinda, not sorta, not in away.   This is exactly what they were saying. 

Short of renting billboard space on your ass, Lincoln could not make it any more clear.  Likewise, Davis made it clear.  

Dred Scott changed everything Davis said. Dred Scott ordered blacks to be property, and the federal government protect it.

How the hell do people not know this most basic thing? That Dred Scott court ordered blacks to be seen as not human beings (not persons).   

More importantly -- the South used this decision to justify killing and spreading slavery.  Over, and over, and over, Southern speakers, documents and newspapers referred to Dred Scott as the authority of them to put slavery wherever they wanted. 

And they wanted it -- in Kansas and all the way west -- even though Kansas voted against slavery 95%.

Southern War Ultimatums were about one thing -- spreading slavery.  

You had no clue, 30 seconds ago, that was even an issue.

Here is where most people (especially history teachers) pretend they knew.

If you don't know why Lincoln would be called a traitor, then you don't know enough about Lincoln, the Civil War, or Stephen A Douglas.




Lincoln would get a bullet to the brain,  in 1865, for the same reason Stephen A Douglas repeatedly taunted LIncoln -- to his face - for his obsession for equality "for the Nigger".

Yes, no shit, Lincoln parsed words.  He parsed words about voting rights for blacks, too, after which Booth shot him anyway. 

I can't help it, you don't know. That's not my fault. If you have a degree in history, and you don't know this, go ask for your money back. It's that basic. 

Why would Stephen A Douglas call Lincoln a traitor- - because he was disagreeing with Dred Scott, "the law of the land"  said Stephen A Douglas.

And guess what -- DOUGLAS WON.  

Gee - there is a lot, lot more you don't know.

In fact,  Stephen A  Douglas went from side to side of the stage in Charleston IL, spitting out the word "nigger" claiming Lincoln "cared more about the Niggers that he did about his own country."

Newspapers in at least two cities-- Quincy and Charleston -- reported Douglas had clearly been drinking, by the anger he displayed when saying the word "Nigger".

Lincoln wants your wife and daughters to "be with" Niggers.

People feared -- white males sure as hell feared -- that black men would be free to move to Illinois (it was illegal for blacks to even move to Illinois at the time) and "be with" their daughters.

So Douglas stabbed this raw nerve, again, and again, and again.



Lincoln was called a traitor -- and "obsessed with equality for the Nigger"  for daring to say in public blacks and whites ARE equal.   Yes, he said that time after time, in various ways.

Isolated facts -- TORN FROM THEIR CONNECTION?   In other words, out of context.

Ironically, Lincoln's enemies accused him of being far far too concerned with equality -- let slavery continue, just keep it down South, was the attitude in the North. 

Douglass told folks, as plainly as he knew how, that Lincoln was radical. We can't go by this quote or that, out of context.  Lincoln had to play this game -- he was not king.  He did parse words. 

But parsing words -- he STILL kicked ass, if you know all his words.

It's just not taught like this. 

Don't pretend you knew this already -- because 99% of the people we ask, have no clue about this basic fact.   If you don't understand this, you don't know shit about Lincoln or the Civil War

" Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with and marry with Niggers." 
"Mr. Lincoln is obsessed with equality for the Nigger."  


   The United States Supreme Court ruled blacks  
   were not human beings (not persons) under the
   law, and Lincoln was a "traitor" for saying otherwise.

The fact most people today have no clue whatsoever that when LIncon ran for US Senate, then President -- the Supreme Court had already ruled blacks are not human beings.

Lincoln spoke against this with power -- over and over and over. 

And you never heard of that, did you?

Slap your teacher for that. But there is much more





You don't know what Lincoln faced,  but Douglass did. 

 Lincoln got much grief and threats from people in the NORTH.  Lincoln's political enemies in the NORTH wanted him arrested, or gave speeches to that effect, if he even said slavery should end for the war to end. 

Southern leaders were even worse -- Lincoln will destroy the white race.   When you learn what kind of violence (yes violence) Lincoln faced, you wont be so stupid.   People were still being killed for speaking too bluntly, in the wrong place, for equality.  Yet read Lincolns full speeches -- he kicked ass on equality, when you know the full speeches. 

In fact, no one spoke more powerfully than Lincoln, for where, and when he was, while running for office.   It was one thing to speak in Maine or to select crowds in Massachusetts, Lincoln was radical as hell -- when you learn his full speeches -- in Illinois and Kansas. 

  Some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested for just saying slavery should end for the war to end. 

  Southern leaders claimed Lincoln's House Divided Speech was a "declaration of war" against the South. 

   Lincoln shot in the head after Booth heard his 
  speech about voting rights for blacks

  Lincoln's Southern enemies said he was going to 
 destroy the white race and was "the worst sort of

  Lincoln's friend Lovejoy  was killed by a mob in   IL for speaking too blunty against slavery

No text book in the US shows this aspect of hatred for Lincoln IN THE NORTH -- and how dangerous it was for him to speak.


Lincoln's claim that the Negro is equal to any white man in his rights under that law is treason -- he cares more for the Nigger than he cares for his own race....


 Bullet in the head - Lincoln's reward for   being "obsessed  with equality for the Nigger".

Lincoln could  have gotten that bullet in the brain much sooner, if he had been any more blunt, sooner.

Somehow, Lincoln is the bad guy?  Here Southern leaders are bragging about killing to spread slavery for God -- and Lincoln, is the bad guy?

Lincoln's NORTHERN enemies are jumping up and down claiming Lincoln is obsessed with equality for the Nigger -- and Lincoln is the bad guy?

Fucking hell -- there was no one, no one -- like Lincoln.  Yes, some others gave speeches, for money.  Or in Boston, or Maine.

Show me anyone who went to Kansas and spoke like Lincoln.  Show me anyone who went to Alton, or Charleston, and spoke to those crowds, like Lincoln did.

Lincoln's FULL speeches are amazing.  If you want to play word games, play it, dumb ass. If you want to know what was going on, read 1000 Southern newspapers and speeches, and see what Lincoln was up against.



Douglass (Frederick)  was not fooled by word games, played later.

More than anything, Douglass knew that Lincoln HAD to parse words at times.  People were still being killed -- and Douglass knew that -- for speaking too bluntly about equality.

 As Frederick Douglass said, "we did not judge him by stray utterances" -- because Douglass knew all of Lincoln's speeches, he knew the Lincoln DOuglas debates well -- he published much of LIncoln's words in his own newspaper.

Sure -- you can play word games.  Go on, lots of people do. But if you want to know why Frederick Douglas AND Stephen A Douglas both said Lincoln was a "radical,"  you can't play word games.
You have to know what happened. 


Yes,  Lincoln  had to parse words, but if he had not,  Stephen Douglas would have been president -- Douglas was Jeff Davis buddy.

There may have been no Civil War -- Stephen A Douglas was fine with spread of slavery into Kansas.  He defended Dred Scott decision out the ass, again and again.

Dred Scott decision was the LAW OF THE LAND, per DOuglas.

So if you don't know what Dred Scott was about (and most people do not) you don't know how fucking horrible it would be, if he were President.






Douglas even showed up in a rail car with a cannon on the back, and he would come out of his car, when the cannon went off.  He was big-- real big - on theatrics. 

His central message -- Mr Lincoln is dangerous.  

His other message -- Dred Scott decision is law of the land.

The words Douglas used to give that message: Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with "Niggers".

The effect of those words -- Douglas won that election.

Do you grasp that -- or not?  Douglas won that election.

If not for Lincoln -- Douglas also wins POTUS in 1860


Governor Brown of Georgia wrote a long "open letter" - very famous at the time, saying how Lincoln was going to make whites live a "degraded existence"   and have your daughters "be with" and marry with, Negroes (at least he said Negroes, not niggers).

Lincoln would cause the death of the white race -- just by stopping the spread of slavery 




WTF?  No one told us that.  Obsessed for equality of "Niggers"?

Lincoln was obsessed with equality for the Negro -- New York papers called him once a "Negro Worshiper" -- lingo at the time for anyone against slavery.

Read the FULL speeches -- holy shit, he kicks ass.  And learn context.  

Whatever the reason, no one  left a Lincoln speech, a debate, confused at all........ Lincoln was determined to "put slavery on the path to extinction" --and then, he did exactly that. 

Lincoln's enemies -- and all of the Southern demagogues  -- were screaming bloody murder that Lincoln was dangerous,  and would either destroy the white race, or at least make your daughters and sons be "on equal terms" with the Negro.

Lincoln was actually kicking ass about equality for the races, and ending slavery, all along.  

Lincoln HAD to empathize Union for those four border states.  And did. It worked. 

We all know now, those four states stayed in the Union -- but no one knew then.

Only Lincoln reassuring those states -- he did that through the letter to Greeley -- did LIncoln satisfy them that they would not lose slavery this way.  Lincoln would even offer slave owners in Kentucky payment to end slavery, and some accepted.

Lincoln said slavery had to end by LEGAL means -- a Constitutional AMendment. But until then, Lincoln would be obliged to deal with slavery, as the Supreme Court ordered in Dred Scott. 

Lincoln had to get 13th Amendment passed, and he did that as soon as possible.  He could not just end slavery by legislation or Presidental order.

Even the Emancipation Proclamation was a temporary order -- once the slave states stopped being in rebellion, that order would go away. It was an order based on martial - war time -- law.  When the war was over, slavery would return.

Unless Lincoln could get an Amendment to the Constitution. So he did. 


But Lincoln, before, and after,  Dred Scott decision, spoke thousands of times about the need to get rid of slavery, and how slavery would take over the US, like a cancer, or  the Union would remain.

But he would get rid of slavery legally. Not by an illegal order, or by legislation. The Dred Scott decision meant even US Congress could not end slavery. Only -- only  -- a Constitutional Amendment would work.

So LIncoln did that.

Keeping the Union together was the ONLY way to stop the spread of slavery.  Southern leaders agreed, if Lincoln would not let them spread slavery, they would create their own nation, based on slavery.

And they boasted about that.  They boasted they were creating a  nation based on slavery. Lincoln kept the Union together -- and said so -- to end slavery.  Ending slavery = keeping union together.  Keeping Union together = ending slavery.

He made that clear by House Divided Speech. And, he was right.




Because Kansas Act pushed slavery into Kansas -- and then Dred Scott decision said blacks are not human beings, Lincoln and thousands of other people, North and South, knew slavery was going to spread all over, or be kicked out.

Lincoln was hated in the newspapers -- in the South -- for House Divided. It was a in effect, said some in the South, a declaration of war against the South, saying slavery would end everywhere, or spread everywhere.

So when Lincoln did write the letter to Greeley (to the South, really, but via Greeley) he had already said repeatedly, 


When Lincoln's letter to Greeley is a prime example.

He actually wrote it to the Border States, which were going to join the Confederacy any day -- any hour.     The stupidity of Fremont in Kentucky gave slave owners what they needed -- see, Lincoln is going to free all the slaves and they will intermarry with  your white women.

Lincoln wrote it to Greeley, knowing very well by the next day or two, many Southern newspapers would print it.

If Lincoln does  not write that letter, or if it did not work (it worked)   the Civil War is over, and slavery spreads, per the War Ultimatums.   South had issued War ultimatums before the fighting started, demanding the spread of slavery.   

Mostly, those who trash Lincoln don't explain that many people alive in 1850's,thought blacks were more like monkeys that could talk -- not actual human beings.

Southern leaders BRAGGED blacks were subhuman, did you know that - or not? 

Southern leaders BRAGGED their "new nation" was based on the "great moral and scientific truth" that blacks were inferior beings, not human beings like whites.  

But Lincoln is the bad guy?



Learn the full story, not slogans. Lincoln's full speeches are amazing, powerful, and his actions to kill slavery were even more powerful.  

So read  his his full speeches, in context, and you won't be so stupid. 

"Lincoln would have taken a bullet to the brain, much sooner than he did, if he was not careful what he said --what  good would a dead Lincoln do, in 1856?"


Yes, Lincoln did parse words -- but read the full speeches.


The Southern War Ultimatums -- printed first in Richmond papers, with headline "THE TRUE ISSUE".

How war ultimatums appeared in Douglass's paper.

Full text of Southern paper

The TRUE ISSUE -- and their war ultimatums, were that Lincoln allow the spread of slavery into Kansas, and Kansas "accept and respect slavery."

The WAR ultimatum, let that sink in WAR ULTIMATUM -- that Kansas accept and respect slavery.

Kansas had REJECTED slavery and become a free state, and by a 95% vote!!   Do you grasp that?   FUCKING HELL.

No one told you -- ever -- that Southern War Ultimatums demanded a free state turn into a slave state. Did they? You never heard that? FUCK NO.

It would help if US text books mentioned it- - so all the US would know what scum sucking pigs and lunatic Confederate leaders were.  

COnfederate leaders didn't suggest it, didn't say it would be preferable.  They said in writing the war ultimatums.


They were not fucking bluffing.  They issued their war ultimatums, Lincoln would not obey, and they attacked.  They were already killing in Kansas, anyway.


Lincoln did evolve-- on his awareness how he could kill slavery so bad, for the next 150 years, Southern leaders would deny the very things they bragged about then.


Lincoln called "Negro Worshiper"  by New York papers.



Every high school history teacher can tell you about Lincoln's letter to Greeley, where LIncoln says if he could save the union without freeing and slaves, he would.

Sounds horrible?

Why would Lincoln write that letter to Greeley??

Actually, Lincoln did NOT write that letter to Greeley  -- he wrote to the border states, via Greeley, because Lincoln knew that in 24-48 hours, most people that mattered would read his letter to "Greeley".

More about that, below.

Meanwhile, Southern leaders are killing to spread slavery, bragging about it, and that's fine. Lincoln is the bad guy?  Seriously?

Remember, Southern leaders were BRAGGING they were killing to spread slavery.  And LIncoln is the bad guy because he, at that time, spoke about Union? 

He fucking had to.  A few more days, and those Southern states go with Jeff Davis. Do you grasp that or not?




Killing the God of Slavery. Lincoln's final gesture


No one seems to grasp this now -- but once Lee surrendered, do you know that no Southern leader, not one, not for the next 150 years, ever claimed that bullshit again, about God intended slavery, intended slaves be tortured (yes, they claimed that before, often) and that God wanted white men to enslave the black race.

That all stopped -- instantly.  An amazing difference.  Blacks were still beaten, some were in slavery illegally, many of the horrible things continued.

But that "God of slavery" was a very real God-- at least used daily by Southern leaders.   Lincoln killed that excuse.


Plus Lincoln's actions.  Have you ever heard about his "radical" actions from 1846-65?

Douglass knew all these.  Did anyone bother to mention them, to you?


The fact you do not know this -- everyone knew it in 1850's -- show how whitewashed the Dred Scott decision has been, we now teach it as something about "citizenship"  and Congress can not decide slavery "issues" in the territories.

As Jefferson Davis said -- Dred Scott was about blacks as persons or not. They are not persons, specifically they are not persons.

John Brown lasted about two hours, in Virginia, kicking slavery in the ass his way. Then he was hung, and so were his sons.

His other son already got killed, back in Kansas.

Lincoln fought a bit smarter -- and got the job done.



People  were arrested in the South, just for owning the wrong  book-- even preachers were arrested.

The article claims the South is the most moral, religious, and contented law abiding people on earth.   But those abolitionist are against God, against religion, against decency, and should be hung.  

The US Senator from Missouri boasted in his speech, he would kill to spread slavery, and kill to stop folks from speaking openly against slavery. That's not from some nut -- that was a US Senator boasting of it.

Those against slavery are against human virture, against modesty, they "must be hung or put in the penitentary" or the South will secede at once.


Frederick Douglass knew about articles like this -- because he reprinted them, in his own paper.

So Douglas knew the dangers to Lincoln -- and he knew Lincoln was trying to win elections, to get support of folks who thought blacks were sorta dogs that could talk and walk upright.

But Frederick Douglass already knew that.

Even in Illinois, speaking too candidly against slavery could get you shot - a fact Lincoln's friend Lovejoy learned too late. He was killed for his anti slavery newspaper.

Lincoln himself was shot in the head, by Booth, after Booth heard Lincoln speak for voting rights for blacks. Booth changed his plan from kidnapping, to killing, because of Lincoln's speech about voting rights.

Did anyone bother -- ever -- to tell you that?

I just did. Frederick Douglass already knew it.

People who saw Lincoln's speeches and debates did not say stupid things like "Lincoln is not really against slavery".     Nor did they say "Lincoln was reluctant to free the slaves".   
But see the video anyway, "Nigger" word cleaned up to "Negro" or not.  And go read his full speeches, his full debates -- and learn his full actions.

You may learn a  lot.  We did.

Douglass knew that most whites -- even in the North - would not walk across the street to free a slave, much less fight a war to do it.  He knew Lincoln had to gather support from millions of people who did not want blacks living anywhere near them, including Illinois, where it was illegal for a black person to move to.

Your "history" teacher may or may not know that. But Frederick Douglass lived it.  When you understand what Douglass knew, and why he said Lincoln was radical, swift, zealous, and determined, you won't be so stupid about the Civil War, or Lincoln.


Frederick Douglass was world famous before most people in  Illinois  ever heard of Lincoln.  He had been tortured, he has seen a slave woman whipped to death while the slave master shouted bible verses.

His biological father raped his mother, a slave woman, and would send bounty hunters after Douglass when he escaped.

Douglass  had seen slaves torn by slave dogs, specially trained to attack blacks who ran.


Other things NORTHERN politicians and NORTHERN newspapers called Lincoln at the time:






      'Lincoln is an ignorant man who, by stopping the spread of slavery, will be like burning us to death slowly'

     'Lincoln and black Republican's  true intention is clear, to abolish slavery in all of the states'


If you told people in 1854-1865, that Lincoln was not against slavery, most of them would have looked at you like you were out of your mind.

For that place, and to the people Lincoln needed to get to vote for him, he was radical -- and lost several elections, because of it.


Actually, though Lincoln did parse words at times, overall, read his FULL speeches, and see, LIncoln was kicking slavery in the ass sideways, from 1846 on, when he stood up as a fresman Congressman, to President Polk, and called him on expanding slavery, via the Mexican War.

In fact, where he was, and where he was, LIncoln was radical as hell, and he had to be careful or he would have been shot much sooner.    

Those who claim LIncoln was not against slavery -- are you nuts?  NO one else did what he did, long before the Civil War. Lincoln essentially did nothing BUT travel around IL because of Kansas Act, and work to unseat the man who got it passed, Stephen A Douglas.

Lincoln gave over 2000 speeches, and his full speeches are amazing -- and for his time and place, radical as can be.

Others did speak more candidly -- but not in Illinois, and not where he did.   The big "abolitionist"  speakers would not dare go where Lincoln went -- they were speaking to audiences that already agreed with them.

Llincoln was speaking to folks who thought blacks were somehow not fully human. At the time, Illinois did not even allow blacks to move there into the state -- did you know that?

Many whites would not walk across the street to piss on a black person, much less fight a war to free him.   Lincoln had to change those folks mind, and get their votes.

Lincoln was shot, for speaking too candidly, about voting rights for blacks.   Booth changed his plan from kidnapping to killing, when he heard Lincoln speak of voting rights for blacks.

Did anyone ever tell you that? 

Douglass knew about that.   You probably did not. And there is much, much more. 

Swift?  Radical?  Zealous?  Determined?

Lincoln called "Negro Worshiper"  by New York papers.

 Lincoln's enemies at that time trashed him for just the opposite reason, a fact Lincoln detractors today, seem blissfully unaware of.


LINCOLN?  Radical to end slavery?  That's hilarious!  Poor Frederick Douglass, such a sucker.   Man, Lincoln conned that fool.

Lincoln ZEALOUS?   

Are you kidding!!  Everyone knows Lincoln was "reluctant" to free the slaves, and promised the South he was not out to destroy slavery where it existed.

Didn't Douglass know anything?

 Even the "Lincoln" scholars admit old Abe wrote that entire letter to Greeley, that he was out to save the Union. 



Border states did not matter, no matter what Lincoln tried to say. 

Lincoln SWIFT?   Frederick Douglass may have been a genius, but he was sure a dumb ass about Lincoln, even though he was there.  Lincoln was so slow to do anything. 

Who cares about border states?  Lincoln did say he hoped God was on Union side, but he really needed Kentucky on the Union side, or all was lost.

What did Lincoln know?  



Going where he did, and when he did, was radical -- even dangerous.  Lincoln's friend, Lovejoy, was killed for speaking too candidly against slavery.  Did you know that, or not?

No one ever told you that, did they? Douglass knew.

Lincoln himself was killed, after he spoke too candidly, for voting rights for blacks.   Booth heard his speech about voting rights for "educated blacks"  and changed his plan from kidnapping, to killing.

No one ever told you that, did they? Douglass knew.

See, it matters what the hell you know. It would help if those trashing Lincoln would know his full speeches and full actions, but they don't, and they seem to like it that way. 


POLK SALAD  1846 - 1865

 Lincoln had a long history of 1846 on,  of taking radical (for the time) stands.  He stood to President Polk,  actually accusing Polk correctly, of pushing for a war against Mexico, to steal land that would be used to spread slavery.

No one told you that, did they.

When Lincoln could not shame Polk and others from a war to spread slavery, Lincoln pushed  for Wilmont Proviso 40 times,  that would have kept slavery out of the areas US just stole from Mexico.  Lincoln was on the "shit list"   of slave owners ever after.

No one told you that, did they?

Lincoln as Congressman,  tried to end slavery in DC.

No one told you that, did they.

Did those who trash Lincoln -- or act like he didn't care about slavery, ever tell you about  12 years that Lincoln did nothing but speak and travel around, get into office, as President, then kick slavery in the ass?

You mean they forgot to mention that?   But they told you about a letter to Greeley, out of context. 

That whole "kicking slavery in the ass sideways"   meant nothing, right?   

Even after Lincoln could have kept the Union together, but STILL kicked slavery until it was dead dead dead, that was just for show.

That letter to Greeley means the 2000 other letters, the 2000 other speeches, don't matter.   


That some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested if he even spoke the words "slavery must end, for the war to end" -- that means nothing?

Get the full set of facts, and those who trash Lincoln, out of stupidity or malice, won't be so stupid.  

Frederick Douglass was smart enough to know the full story. 

Douglass knew  context -- like the fact some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested for simply saying the Civil War should end slavery.  Douglass knew full speeches, and mostly, Douglass knew Lincoln's full actions.



Guess who knew that?   Frederick Douglass (and of course, Greeley knew).    

Keeping the Union together would end slavery over time. Slavery was like a cancer, it had to spread, or it had to die itself. 

Southern leaders said the same thing -- but they used LIncoln's comments as justification to leave the Union and spread slavery outside the union, as their own "War Ultimatums" made clear.

Frederick Douglass knew that. You did not.


Also, at the time Lincoln wrote that letter, some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested, if he even said slavery should end, for the war to end. 

They did not say Lincoln by name, but they called for the arrest of anyone who said slavery should end, for the war to end.

Did you know that,  yes or no?  Saying slavery should end was some radical shit, until the last part of the Civil War.

And if LIncoln had spoken sooner, more candidly, the border states would have joined the Confederacy.

Did you know that?   Lincoln did, that's the big reason he had to speak carefully.

Guess who knew -- Frederick Douglass knew.


Douglass not only knew Lincoln, Douglass knew the scum what  Lincoln was up against -- North and South.


From Lincoln Douglas debates.  Douglas makes up stories about Lincoln's "Nigger" friends. 


Douglass was personal friends with John Brown, and he was paid to speak to crowds in the US, once his friends could literally "buy him"  from his slave owner, who was also his biological father.

Douglass Speech about Lincoln

Charles Sumner Speech about Atchison and Crimes in KS