Tuesday, January 10, 2012


Frederick Douglass claimed Abraham Lincoln was    "SWIFT RADICAL ZEALOUS AND DETERMINED" 

Gee, he had to be stupid, right?



This is not in any history book - so unless you got it from newspapers at the time, you could not know.


In fact,  Stephen A  Douglas went from side to side of the stage in Charleston IL, spitting out the word "nigger" claiming Lincoln "cared more about the Niggers that he did about his own country.

Newspapers in at least two cities-- Quincy and Charleston -- said Douglas apparently had been drinking.  Drinking or not, he was a showman.

Douglass arrived in most cities on a train -- with a flat cart which had a cannon on hit. When Douglas men fired the cannon, Douglas emerged to an orchestrated cheering section, complete with drums and horn section. 



   The United States Supreme Court ruled blacks  
   were not human beings (not persons) under the
   law, and Lincoln was a "traitor" for saying otherwise.

The fact most people today have no clue whatsoever that when LIncon ran for US Senate, then President -- the Supreme Court had already ruled blacks are not human beings.

Lincoln spoke against this with power -- over and over and over. 

And you never heard of that, did you?

Slap your teacher for that. But there is much more


  Lincoln called Nigger Lover repeatedly and
  accused of hating the United States and white 
  race,  1854-1861

  Some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested for just saying slavery should end for the war to end. 

  Southern leaders claimed Lincoln's House Divided Speech was a "declaration of war" against the South. 

   Lincoln called traitor to his face for saying   
   blacks and whites are equal  

   Lincoln shot in the head after Booth heard his 
  speech about voting rights for blacks

   Some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested for even saying slavery should end for the CW to end   

  Lincoln's Southern enemies said he was going to 
 destroy the white race and was "the worst sort of

  Lincoln's Northern enemies said repeatedly he wants your daughters to sleep with Niggers

  Lincoln's friend Lovejoy  was killed by a mob in   IL for speaking too blunty against slavery

And much more.

Lincoln "THE NIGGER LOVER" -- wants your daughters to sleep with and marry with Niggers.

Stephen A Douglas, 1858.

Frederick Douglass knew a few tiny things you do not.

More than one newspaper said Douglas had been drinking, and could tell by how he spit  his words.  Douglas even used the word "Nigger" in the US Senate, after 1854, and was admonished for it, by Charles Sumner.  

Even Southern Senators usually used the word "Negro".  Douglas used Negro sometimes, but "Nigger" when he wanted the crowed to know how Lincoln wanted your daughters to sleep with black men.

By the way -- black men sleeping with white women was a very common theme, referred to openly in the South, but has not made it to most  history books.  The idea that black men -- if slavery was ever going to end - would be free to walk down the street and talk to white women, was a very real fear, AND politicians like Stephen A Douglas used this fear often.

And that fear worked -- Douglas defeated Lincoln in that Senate race.


CLEANED  UP "NIGGER" and much more.

Most newspapers cleaned "Niggers" up to "Negro" -- as did all history books.  

Worse -- no text book in the US shows this aspect of hatred for Lincoln IN THE NORTH -- and how dangerous it was for him to speak.

Lincoln -- see his FULL SPEECHES -- was powerful as hell. No one went where he did, and said what he did.   Yes, you can edit his quotes, pretend that explains everything, and make him sound horrible.

People have done that forever. Lincoln would not care. He was kicking slavery in the ass, and he got it done.  Even if he had to parse words -- which he did -- he still kicked slavery to death.


Frederick Douglass was world famous before people across Springfield ever heard of Lincoln. H

Douglass saw a slave women whipped continually until she died, while the owner, who was whipping her, shouted scriptures

Douglass was not easily impressed nor fooled.

 He was whipped himself, and even though he would escape to England,  his friends still had to buy his freedom from his biological father -- the man who whipped that slave woman to death.

So why on earth would Douglass claim that "Lincoln was SWIFT, RADICAL, ZEALOUS, AND DETERMINED" for equality of the races?

Maybe because -- Douglass knew the whole story.  Not just the bits and pieces your are fed. 

Lincoln's claim that the Negro is equal to any white man in his rights under that law is treason -- he cares more for the Nigger than he cares for his own race....

 Bullet in the head - Lincoln's reward for   being "obsessed  with equality for the Nigger".



Douglass (Frederick)  was not fooled by word games, played later.

More than anything, Douglass knew that Lincoln HAD to parse words at times.  People were still being killed -- and Douglass knew that -- for speaking too bluntly about equality.

Did you know that, yes or no? People were still being killed for being too outspoken for equality. Lincoln's friend Lovejoy was killed. Douglass knew people who were killed.

You didn't know that. You probably thought LIncoln should go around saying "Hell yes, I want your daughters to sleep with Niggers just like my opponent said".

What Lincoln DID say - was powerful, and stunning. He had to say it carefully, NO SHIT.  No shit he  had to say it carefully.  But even then, Lincoln was masterful, no one did that in crowds that Lincoln faced. More importantly, Lincoln changed folks minds.  Lincoln's words -- parsed words -- changed peoples minds.

 Douglass knew others were killed for speaking out more radically than Lincoln.  You didn't know, but he did.

Still -- Lincoln kicked ass and was quite radical, when you know all his speeches, in context. Douglass knew that, too, and you did not.  For where, and when, and who he spoke to, Lincoln was kicking ass.   And he would kick ass much harder, as soon as he got the Union army, and the backing of most people in the North.  But that would take a while.


 As he said, "we did judge him by stray utterances" -- because Douglass knew all of Lincoln's speeches, he knew the Lincoln DOuglas debates well -- he published much of LIncoln's words in his own newspaper.

He knew those quotes you are given by those who trash or minimize what Lincoln did -- but he knew more. He knew all the speeches -- and Lincoln's actions.



See this movie clip -- from it, you COULD take a few words here, and a few words from there, and make Lincoln say, "blacks are certainly not my equal".

But when you see all he said - holy shit, he  kicked slavery in the ass, though Douglas tried to taunt him, and the US Supreme Court said blacks were not even human beings.

Did you even know that -- yes or no please?  The US Supreme Court rules that blacks are not human beings -- not persons -- but property.

Guess who knew that?  Frederick Douglass knew that.

Guess who didn't know that?  You didn't. 

And that is basic as it gets for the 1850s.  Yet you had no clue.   Now, tell me again how Lincoln was not radical, swift, zealous, and determined.

Sure -- you can play word games.  Go on, lots of people do. But if you want to know why Frederick Douglas AND Stephen A Douglas both said Lincoln was a "radical,"  you can't play word games.
You have to know what happened. 




Douglass knew Lincoln was called "Nigger lover" and his Northern political enemies repeatedly. This was no secret then.

Stephen A Douglas claimed  Lincoln wanted your daughters to "sleep with and marry with Niggers" .

Douglas even taunted LIncoln to his face, that he had seen Lincoln with a white woman, and a black man, in a carriage that day.   This was the kind of allegation that could turn people violent.  Lincoln's friend, Lovejoy was killed by  a group of whites in Illinois, for publishing an anti-slavery newspaper.  

Douglas even told the crowds that Lincoln's friend was "Lovejoy".  Do you know why he told the crowds that? To energize those that hated anyone who spoke, timidly or otherwise, about ending slavery.

Ending slavery?  That would cause blacks to live among us!!.   Black men will take your women. They will work for less money. They will destroy our way of life.

That is what Douglas (Stephen A) wanted the crowds to think about Lincoln.  Lincoln had to parse words in his answer -- but even then, Lincoln was powerful.  

No one ever -- ever -- told you that, did they?  No one ever told you Douglas, in the debates, claimed Lincoln was seen with a white woman and black man in a carriage that day.

It's in the debates. Go read them  yourself. 

Do you know WHY Douglas (Stephen A Douglas, one s) would say that to the crowd?  To get people to hate Lincoln, that's why.


 Do you know any other men, running for office, that dared to say what Lincoln did, to the crowds LIncoln spoke to?

Lincoln kicked ass anyway, even so.   He chose his words carefully, but he kicked ass with those words.

Yes,  he had to parse words to do it.  No one else would do what he did.  "Abolitionist" speakers spoke to crowds that already agreed with them -- and they did not come to where LIncoln went, Kansas (yes Lincoln went to Kansas)  and Illinois.   Those speakers stayed in safe areas.  

 SOuthern leaders said Lincoln was going to "exterminate the white race" by stopping the spread of slavery.  Lincoln will EXTERMINATE the white race -- just by stopping the spread of slavery. 





In Charleston, one of the debate cities, Douglas seemed to go into frenzy, rushing from one side of the stage to the other spitting as he spoke about Lincoln caring more for the Negro, that he did for his own race.

Douglas even showed up in a rail car with a cannon on the back, and he would come out of his car, when the cannon went off.  He was big-- real big - on theatrics. 

His central message -- Mr Lincoln is dangerous.  

The words Douglas used to give that message: Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with "Niggers".

The effect of those words -- Douglas won that election.

Do you grasp that -- or not?  Douglas won that election.



YOU might think Lincoln was not for equality, blah blah.

But Southern leaders sure thought so, they hated him for it, more than many in the North hated him for it.

Lincoln was about to "EXTERMINATE THE WHITE RACE" according to some Southern speakers.

When Booth put a bullet in Lincoln's brain, it was because Booth -- and millions of others -- thought Lincoln was a radical tyrant, hell bent on letting "Niggers"  get access to white women./

You aren't told about this "White women" thing in history class, but remember, Stephen A Douglas shouted it in public in front of thousands of people to Lincoln's face.

SO it was not some tiny damn issue. It was a huge issue. 

It was still illegal in Illinois for blacks to even move there, did you know that?  Many people in Illinois  had never seen a black person, a fact almost unknown today. 

Because Lincoln was much more than those quotes and that letter -- and more importantly, Douglass knew what was going on.


Douglass knew  slavery was not a word game.  If you want to play word games about Lincoln -- fine. Get all 2300 speeches, all the debates, and all his comments, and play that Game.   Lincoln does very well indeed, when you learn the full quotes.

Did you know some NORTHERN Congressmen spoke of arresting Lincoln if he even spoke -- just spoke -- about ending slavery as a requirement to end the war?  No.

Did you know that Southern leaders claimed LIncoln was killing the white race - exterminating the white race -- by just stopping the spread of slavery?   No.

Did you know that if Lincoln had been any more candid about equality in 1858, he possibly could have been shot then - others  had been killed for being too blunt in front of the wrong group.   Lincoln eventually was killed -- bullet to the brain -- when he spoke about voting rights for blacks.

" Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with and marry with Niggers." 
"Mr. Lincoln is obsessed with equality for the Nigger."  

LIncoln would have been shot in the head, much sooner -- and Frederick Douglass knew that -- if LIncoln had been any more blunt at the time.

But no one was as powerful for equality ----- yes, he parsed words, but read them ALL,

All the words, and learn his actions.  He was radical bad ass --- and it cost him the elections before 1860. He lost.

It eventually cost him a bullet in the brain - did you know that Booth changed his plan from kidnap to kill, after he heard Lincoln speak about voting rights for blacks?


 Mr Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with and marry with Niggers. Yes, Niggers.  Newspapers of the time cleaned it up.

Why would Stephen A Douglas remind folks in every speech, every debate, how radical Mr Lincoln was about equality --  because most people did not want blacks anywhere near them.   That's why.

 The idea of free and equal blacks scared the crap out of many white men (your history teacher wont tell you this), and politicians like Douglas used it for political gain.

 New York paper making fun of Lincoln for saying blacks are equal to whites.

Newspapers often showed characterizations of blacks as sub human, stupid, dangerous.

If you were against slavery, many folks called you a "Negro Worshiper" - a term in general use.

Also, if you were not radically PRO slavery, you could be called "an abolitionist"  by Southern leaders.   Political rhetoric was all about scaring the shit out of the public, to make them think black men were going to take your wife and daughter.

Shame on you, your teacher, and your text books, if you did  not know that. It's basic.

To be called an "abolitionist" in some areas, was like being called a child molester today. 

Even in 1890's, people alive during the CIvil War, commented on how vile the term "abolitionist" was.   After the war, over time, abolitionist took on a positive connotation.

But at the time, you were not safe, let alone politically viable in some areas (Illinois was one) if people thought were you were an abolitionist, which the equated with your wife and daughter being taken by blacks.



Governor Brown of Georgia wrote a long "open letter" - very famous at the time, saying how Lincoln was going to make whites live a "degraded existence"   and have your daughters "be with" and marry with, Negroes (at least he said Negroes, not niggers).

Lincoln would cause the death of the white race -- just by stopping the spread of slavery 

This guy could get crowds cheering -  by saying this

So why do folks-- who knows nothing about any of that, find a letter Lincoln wrote, and think  he knows more than Frederick Douglass?

Before Lincoln ran for Senate, and Presidency, the United States Supreme Court had already ordered-- ordered -- did I mention ordered -- that blacks be see not as human beings, but as property.

   Lincoln a traitor for disagreeing with United States SupremeSupreme Court Decision that blacks were not human beings (not persons) but property.

You had no idea -- did you -- that by order of the Supreme Court -- the government of the United States was ORDERED  to see blacks not as human beings but property.   There was "no rights" a black man had, that a white man must respect.

This is from the decision, itself.  Remember this -- because your "history teacher" won't know and won't tell you. 

This is a very small sentence, but the one that caused endless violence in Kansas, and eventually led to the Civil War.

Douglas (Stephen A) taunted Lincoln about it, made fun of  him, or called in a traitor.

In Charleston IL -- Douglas went off the deep end, running from one side of the stage to the other, spitting his words out about "Lincoln cares more about the Nigger than for his own country".

That worked - remember that.  People liked Lincoln -- he was funny, great personality, wonderful speaker.   But he never won an election by popular vote from the Kansas Act on - he was branded as too radical for equality.

SO Frederick Douglass knew that -- you did not.

Did you know that - yes or no? HELL NO.  There is not 1 person in 1000 that know that basic truth, that was widely known at the time.

Lincoln was standing up against that decision -- and paid a price. He lost the Senate race -- twice. That's right, LIncoln ran for Senate twice, lost twice. 

Lincolns equality under the law position was a very tough sell.
That's right, Lincoln was called a traitor, AND a man who wanted your daughters to "be with" and "sleep with" and "marry with Niggers"

 The SCOTUS specifically ordered --

                   --  O R D E R E D --      

that blacks were to be seen not as persons, but as property.   You had no clue.  This is  not taught.  It was sure as hell known then - Jeff Davis boasted of it.  Lincoln sure as hell knew -he exposed it.

These few words -- from the decision itself -- ordered that blacks are to be seen as property, and ordered the fed gov to protect slavery, even in KS, where white voters had rejected slavery 90%.

Taney declared that the "Constitution" -- meaning, him -- now recognizes slaves as property, not persons.   He pledges the federal government to protect slavery -- even in Kansas, where citizens there had rejected slavery overwhelmingly.

Did anyone bother to explain that very basic fact to you?

I did not find this in any book, not even books ABOUT Dred Scott case. I found these nine references in the decision itself.  Davis was proud of it -- Davis bragged of it. Douglas agreed enthusiastically, the South loved it.

No -- you don't know. You THINK you do, but you probably do not.  See what Douglass knew, much of this will be news to you.

Yes, there were more radical speakers -- they were not where Lincoln was, their audiences were in the East --and already agreed.  Lincoln was speaking to people where it was still dangerous to be an "abolitinionist". 

The other Douglas (one s) said the same thing, but he was making fun of Lincoln.




WTF?  No one told us that.  Obsessed for equality of "Niggers"?

Lincoln was obsessed with equality for the Negro -- New York papers called him once a "Negro Worshiper" -- lingo at the time for anyone against slavery.

Read the FULL speeches -- holy shit, he kicks ass.  And learn context.  

Whatever the reason, no one  left a Lincoln speech, a debate, confused at all........ Lincoln was determined to "put slavery on the path to extinction" --and then, he did exactly that. 

Also -- no one else, then and there, delivered the powerful over the top declarations for equality -- in such an effective way.

Lincoln was taunted, jeered at, considered a "Nigger lover"  by his opponents and much of the public.

Lincoln spoke to crowds who disagreed with him, in areas it was still dangers to speak about equality.



Who else -- where Lincoln was, when he was, were as powerful and radical as Lincoln?

Yes, there were "fire breather" abolitionists -- IN MAINE. In New York.   They were paid, too.  Garrison and others made their living speaking to people who already agreed with them.

Lincoln was not paid, he paid for all his expenses.

Lincoln did not get to speak to people who already agreed with him. In fact, most of the people Lincoln spoke to, in the debates, and in his many speeches, thought blacks were more some kind of different species.  And they worried freeing them would cause black men to take white women.

Not an easy sell.

LIncoln was trying to win the crowds over, not get shot. 

In fact, Lincoln was paid -- a bullet in the brain, for speaking too candidly about voting rights, see below.

  Guess who knew all that, and much more?  Frederick Douglass knew.

Maybe you don't know as much as Frederick Douglass?  Is that possible?


Douglass knew -- and said -- he did not measure Lincoln by "stray utterances"  to "injudicious delegations".   He judged Lincoln by his actions.  

Overall, LIncoln's words were extreme and powerful -- even when he parsed them. YOu can take a sentence, even a letter, and it will seem that Lincoln was agreeing with the worst sentments of the day.

Actually again, and again, and again, Lincoln "set up" a prejudice of the day, to knock it down in the next sentence or later in the speech. 

Lincoln's extense court room experience gave him an insight into seeming to agree, but then reversing course.  His language was precise -- you could take from it, what you wanted.  That was no accident.

But no one left any of his speeches or debates, in any doubt what so ever. No one left thinking Lincoln was okay with slavery.

No one left thinking Lincoln saw blacks as sub human.  Quite the reverse, Lincoln words  made peole think -- made some change their minds.  In fact, it was with words that LIncoln changed the country, and history. And therefore, the world.

Before Lincoln kicked slavery in the ass- -slavery was seen in much of the world as the will of God.    

After Lincoln kicked slavery in the ass, that "Southern God" of slavery was exposed as bullshit.  Yet that God - the God of slavery, was very much a real God, as expressed by Southern leaders, and even people in the North thought that might be the case.

See this -- who killed the Southern God of slavery

Lincoln's enemies -- and all of the South -- were screaming bloody murder that Lincoln was dangerous,  and would either destroy the white race, or at least make your daughters and sons be "on equal terms" with the Negro.

A fearful concept for folks North and SOuth, at the time.

Lincoln was actually kicking ass about equality for the races, and ending slavery, all along.  

And Lincoln was getting grief about it. He would eventually get a bullet in the brain, for it.

Lincoln would have paid that price, much sooner, if he had been more candid.

For example, who do you suppose stood up to Polk in 1846 and bluntly accused the President to starting a way to spread slavery?

Do you even know LIncoln did that?


There is not one history teacher in 100 today, who can tell you that when Lincoln  was called "Nigger Worshipper"  and "Nigger love" to his face,  when it was dangerous to be too sympathetic to slavery.

Stephen A Douglas even told crowds he sawLincoln and a white woman, in a carriage, with a black man.  Did you know that?

Hell no.  And of course you could not know, that any white man who was seen with an inter racial couple, was in danger. Douglas was taunting Lincoln --  not a funny joke, if someone took him seriously.

Douglas also told the crowd Lincoln was friends with Lovejoy  -- why?   He was killed by a mob for being an abolitionist.  SO when Lincoln got up to speak, Douglas had already made LIncoln out to be dangerous to white women, and radical as hell.

Guess who knew all that, very well? Frederick Douglass knew it very well.  (So did Stephen Douglas, that's why he did it!).

But you sure as  hell did not know it.

  Oh ,  hell yes Douglass knew knew all the trash "historians" now lay on Lincoln.   He was well aware of those horrible quotes from Lincoln -- DOUGLASS  published them in his newspaper.

But Douglass knew something you don't get from "historians" who seem to be more interested in playing a game of edited quotes, out of context.

 Go read Douglass's newspapers for a few months, and get back to me. You might learn something.  In fact, go read any newspaper, North or South, daily, for a few months, and you wont be so stupid.  There is a damn good reason Douglass said Lincoln was radical, etc.

Because he was.  Lincoln was kick ass -- yes, you can find quotes, in context and out.  But history isn't some game played.  Who killed who, and why, is history. Not what is sentence # 560-563 in a given speech.

If you want to play that game -- that's fine/. Lincoln was kick ass there too. Get all the sentences. But mostly, learn what the fuck was going on.  Douglass knew. 

Douglass knew somethings you don't?   Just maybe? 

It's lucky Lincoln did not get a bullet to the brain, sooner than he did. When you learn what was going on, and Lincolns FULL quotes, considering where he went to deliver these speeches, and who he was talking to, he could have been killed much sooner. 

Frederick Douglass was world famous before Lincoln was known across Springfield.   Only the Civil War made Lincoln more famous than Douglass.

And by the way, Douglass knew why Lincoln took a bullet to the brain -- his speech about voting rights for blacks.

You didn't even know that much. So spare me your shit about knowing what was going on -- until you learn what was going on.


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                                  - IS STILL BULLSHIT

Frederick Douglass was not the only man to claim Lincoln was radical about equality. Lincoln's enemies eventually put a bullet in his brain for speaking about voting rights for blacks.   Even suggesting "educated" blacks should vote, was so vile, so horrible, Booth changed his plan from kidnapping, to killing.

But before his enemies put that bullet in his brain, his political enemies taunted him dozens of times for "obsession for equality for the NIGGER." 

Did you even know that? HELL  NO.

Im so sick of these "experts" who know some letter or quote from Lincoln, and have no clue -- not a fucking clue! -- that Lincoln was called radical Nigger lover, obsessed with equality for the Nigger.

He was called a traitor, an enemy of the white race -- because he just claimed blacks were equal under the Declaration of INdependence.

 Did anyone, I mean ANYONE, ever even mention that, in any US text book?  I never saw  it.   Our text books should have showed how LIncoln was trashed by his political enemies. 

Lincoln's friend was killed for being too "candid" about equality for blacks.  He was shot -- supposedly - then burned in his building, by a crowd.   Others were shot if they said things the wrong way.

warning - crude language ahead---

Who do you suppose got out of politics and a very wealthy practice,   and did nothing but go around warning folks of the vile nature of Kansas Act and how it was a deception that would spread slavery to all of the US?

Oh -- wait, you probably have no idea Kansas Act was a vile fraud, designed to spread slavery against states rights, and against popular soverighty.    But Lincoln knew it, and got back into politics because of it.,

And he explained this over and over.  Check out the House Divided Speech sometime,  that's what it was about.

Lincoln was amazingly radical -- in the full speeches, when you learn who he was talking to, when, and why.

Hell most people are so stupid, they think if they know a few slogans, a quote here, they have it all figured out. Hell no you don't, a little knowledge is a little knowledge.

There is a reason Lincoln's enemies said he was obsessed with equality -- do you think they just made this shit up?

There is a reason Frederick Douglas said he was radical and swift?  Do you think these guys are stupid, and don't know what you know?

Mostly, you can tell what LIncoln thought by his actions.  He got slavery by the throat, he kept squeezing that bastard  so hard, for the next 150 years, those who before BRAGGED they were killing to spread slavery, bragged God ordained slavery, etc, not only didn't say that anymore, they  and their apologist bend over backwards to claim, they were never for slavery to begin with.

That's some kind of ass kicking. Most people don't know SOuthern leaders bragged out the ass about killing to spread slavery, their war ultimatums, etc.   So they don't know that since then, they dare not mention that shit.   SHow me another ass kicking in history, that made them deny what they bragged about at the time?

But yes -- wisely at the time, Lincoln sometimes parsed words. He even said some straight up racist things.

Douglass (Frederick) said "it mattered little what language he might employ... it mattered little to us, when we knew him well."  

Because Douglass knew who Lincoln had to talk to, to win over, to win the war.  Not by stray utterances to injudicious and tedious delegations, not by isolated facts torn from their connection

In other words, Douglas was saying, we don't go by bullshit of certain things he said to certain people on a certain day.  Nor do we go by isolated facts, not in context.

We go by what he FUCKING DID.  Okay, he did not say fucking.  But he went by what Lincoln did.  He knew Lincoln had to bend far in some settings -- or he would have been shot much sooner.

What the hell good would it do, if Lincoln said "HELL YES, I will kick slavery in the ass sideways, if I get the chance, and fuck you, blacks and whites are equal"?

He would have of course, been shot much sooner.

But Lincoln's speeches were powerful as hell --  read the full speeches!   Depending on when, where, and who  he was speaking to, he adjusted his tone, his phrasing.  It fucking worked -- did you notice? 

John Brown was always candid about slavery -- and lasted about two hours in Harpers Ferry, before he was caught. Then he and his sons were hung.

Both men were radical -- according to Frederick Douglass.

Who do you think got more done?  

Who was , to quote FD -- "swift, radical, zealous, and determined".

Notice FD did not say "reckless stupid and ineffective". 

You would never have heard of Lincoln if he did not parse words.  Nor would slavery had stopped then.  Try to grasp that.  So Lincoln is the bad guy?  For parsing words, and kicking slavery in the ass sideways?

What is history? Some fucking game of what word you can pull out of context?   Some letter?  Fine - then get ALL his letters and all his words.  Lincoln kicks ass there, too.

If you play this bullshit game buy just taking SOME letters, and SOME words -- go fuck yourself.  Im not playing that game.  Get them all.  You don't even have to know what he did, his FULL letters and full speeches are amazing. 

Who do you think kept kicking slavery in the ass?

Lincoln could have stopped the war sooner. He could have agreed with Southern leaders and let them continue with slavery, just stop the fighting. 

Lincoln could have just let the 13th AMendment die -- it was hopelessly stuck.  Who the fuck to you think made sure the 13 Amendment  was on GOP platform in 1864? Donald Duck?

Who do you think then worked his ass off, to make sure 13th Amendment passed, by personally bribing the hold outs. Yes, he bribed the  hold outs.   The scum pigs would keep slavery going, if they were not paid off. 

Lincoln said -- fine. Let's pay them off.  Did you know that?

Who do you think did that?  Bugs bunny?

So learn all the facts, not a few half truths.


The basic stupidity of many people today -- they don't know why LIncoln could not let the South go.  He said why -- if the Union goes, slavery spreads.   People apparently today don't grasp that.   They don't grasp the Southern War ultimatums or what the South was already doing.

Keeping the Union together was the ONLY way to stop the spread of slavery.

Do you know who agreed with that?   Southern leaders.  They said it, in their own way.  They could not spread slavery, if they stayed in the Union. Did you know that or not?

No, you don't know.

Many at the time would have gladly let the South go --Lincoln probably would too, if slavery was not going to spread, because of it, but that's conjecture.

If you don't know that, don't blame me. Blame the watered down bullshit in your text book.

Clearly, emphatically Lincoln was saying any black person is equal to any white person. No one left his speech and was confused at all. 

You might be, because you are given partial quotes, the worst quotes.  And quotes out of context. 

Lincoln's friend was killed for being too blunt about equality for blacks -- so were others. 

If you don't know how dangerous it was to be to seen as radical abolitionist, where Lincoln was, you don't know enough.  Sorry, you don't.

Any black person. Is equal. To any white person. Lincoln said that -- even to the most rabid audience. He just did it in a very smart way, a way that worked. 

 How then do folks get quotes about Lincoln saying the opposite?  

He did say racist things at times, to our ears now.  But Southern leaders were bragging that blacks were somehow not human beings, and God was punishing them, and they were promising to spread slavery.   

But as Douglass said (no fool, Douglass) we judge him not by some "stray phrase"  he used on a given day to "injudicious and tedious delegations".  

 We judge him by what he did. 

And that stupid Frederick Douglass  judged Lincoln radical, swift, zealous, and determined.

Why ? Because Lincoln kicked ass.  Yes,  he did parse words --but he kicked ass. 

Yes, he did say some things that seem, and even are, racist-- but he kicked ass.


Nearly every word Lincoln uttered in public, for over a decade, was written down someplace.  You can find over a million words by him. You can search and fine .2 percent that are offensive, especially when taken out of context.

How about that other 99.8%-- and what he did?  Do you think the Civil War was --  was some fucking game of quotes?  Fine, there are plenty of quotes from him that are amazing.

But it was not a fucking game of quotes, it was a period of time where people were enslaving, killing, torturing.  Others were eager to stop that shit.

If you want to play that game of quotes, then why the fuck not lay out ALL the quotes.  Lincoln kicked ass.  

Sadly, to a large extent, bullshitters can make stupid people believe anything, by careful editing of quotes, leaving some out. And leaving actions out.

Go read the speeches of those bragging they were killing to spread slavery, or bragging blacks were not even human beings.

Go read the speeches of those taunting Lincoln for his love of the "Nigger".

Go read Lincolns FULL speeches -- not an easy task.

 No one spoke more powerfully and no one spoke more radically, where and when he was speaking. Guess who knew that?  Douglass knew that.

Lincoln stunned crowds -- no one left thinking he was okay with slavery. No one left thinking LIncoln was against equality. People left understanding the cancer of slavery that was sweeping the US - and Lincoln said we have to stop that cancer.

Lincoln parsed words - in 2000 speeches about slavery, in many of them he would SEEM to agree with a common prejudice, but then destroy that prejudice in the next sentence.

Over, and over, and over. And over.  Lincoln seemed to agree with some things that we today claim make him a horrible racist.   Read the whole thing, and get the measure of the full speech, in context.

Then compare that to what his enemies were telling the same damn crowds -- Lincoln will get your daughters to marry NIGGERS.

I can't help it if your history books didn't tell you the full story. Get it yourself, from reading the full speeches.

By the way, no one else even gave 2000 or more speeches about this --went from city to city to city. Not for pay, but because Southern leaders were already killing to spread slavery in Kansas, and promised more spread of slavery.

Who do you think was going around telling folks blacks were equal in all rights, equal to any white man, he told them.  You don't even know he told them that.  

Mostly, learn what he DID.  

Yes, he spoke at times about Union -- no fucking kidding.  At the time he was speaking about UNION, four border states were almost going for the Confederacy.  If they had,  not only is the war over, but slavery spreads, as Southern leaders promised it would be.

Lincoln HAD to empathize Union for those four border states.  And did. It worked. 

But Lincoln, before, and after, spoke thousands of times about the need to get rid of slavery, and how slavery would take over the US, like a cancer, or  the Union would remain.

Keeping the Union together was the ONLY way to stop the spread of slavery.  Southern leaders agreed, if Lincoln would not let them spread slavery, they would create their own nation, based on slavery.

And they boasted about that.  They boasted they were creating a  nation based on slavery.

Nor was anyone else doing this -- those famous abolition speakers would not dream of going where LIncoln went, speaking to those crowds.  Further, they were paid to go speak -- to crowds that already agreed with them.

No one told you even that much, did they?


If you started right now, and read every speech or debate by Lincoln, and every speech or newspaper trashing Lincoln for being against slavery,  you'd be about 10 years older.  And a lot smarter. 

Because of Lincoln's style and tactic of seeming to agree -- in one part of the speech, with some prejudice of the day, to quote Lincoln out of context.

Lincoln's letter to Greeley is a prime example. In the balance, hung the Civil War.  Most of the US was in slave owners hands, did you know that?

Already free states were smaller, land wise, that slave states.    If those four border states went with Confederates (and they almost did), it's all over.  Union would be a very small % of the land.

So Lincoln is horrible for speaking about UNION in a letter meant to keep those states in the Union? FUCKING HELL that's bullshit.

Yes, he did write the letter.  No shit -- and wisely so.  That stopped the four border states from joining the Confederacy.

 And then he kicked slavery in the ass sideways.  

He could not have kicked slavery in the ass sideways, if he let those border states go with Confederacy. So he wrote the letter.

USA would have ended then, if Lincoln did not keep those borders states in. Why the fuck didn't your history teacher tell you that?  They should have, Lincoln and nearly everyone alive then, knew those borders states were the key to stopping the spread of slavery.

Yet Lincoln is portrayed as the BAD guy for that?  Such bullshit. Sadly, it's repeated over and over.

That's why those who trash Lincoln never dare give the full story -- even if they know it. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. 

Mostly, those who trash Lincoln don't explain that many people alive in 1850's,thought blacks were more like monkeys that could talk -- not actual human beings.

Southern leaders BRAGGED blacks were subhuman, did you know that - or not? 

Southern leaders BRAGGED their "new nation" was based on the "great moral and scientific truth" that blacks were inferior beings, not human beings like whites.  

But Lincoln is the bad guy? Fucking hell. 

In fact the US Supreme Court had already ruled blacks are NOT human beings -- did you know that or not -- for purposes of the Constitution.

Hell no, you didn't know that.  You should know, but this horrible aspect of US history is whitewashed.

Lincoln had to face hate mongers who made fun of his "love of the Negro"   and all but urged violence to Lincoln.   Lincoln's friend  Lovejoy  was killed for being too blunt about equality.

Did you even know that much? 

Did you know that people in the NORTH were still being killed for speaking too blunty for equality?    Bet you had no clue.  Is Kansas in the North?

Yes, and people in Kansas were being killed, before and after, Lincoln ran for US Senate.

You probably don't even know Lincoln went to Kansas, after people there were killed for speaking against slavery.

Guess who knew that ?   Frederick Douglass.

Guess who didn't know that? You.

Guess who didn't tell you? Your history book, Foner, McPherson, Catton, or 100 others "historians" who don't seem eager to tell the vile truth about who was killing who, and what Lincoln faced.

Why not tell you Confederates were killing to spread slavery -- long before Lincoln got there. 

Foner is stunningly stupid, at least about Dred Scott  decision, which he claims was "a rather narrow ruling".   That takes a special kind of stupid.



Learn the full story, not slogans. Lincoln's full speeches are amazing, powerful, and his actions to kill slavery were even more powerful.  

So read  his his full speeches, in context, and you won't be so stupid. 


No one went where Lincoln went, and spoke as powerfully or as effectively.  Lincoln's speeches -- even though some sentences offend you today -- actually were radical and amazing at the time.

No one told you that, did they?

Even Frederick Douglass did not go in front of crowds like Lincoln did, (it would be illegal for Douglass to move to IL) and speak to people Lincoln spoke to.


"Lincoln would have taken a bullet to the brain, much sooner than he did, if he was not careful what he said --what  good would a dead Lincoln do, in 1856?"


Yes, Lincoln did parse words -- but read the full speeches.

No one spoke more powerfully -- Lincoln stunned the audience, no one left his speech in any confusion. 

Folks came to his speeches, some thought blacks were some kind of animal that could talk in ebonics, and would rape their daughters if given  half a chance.

Did you know that or not?

Worse, in Lincoln Douglas debates, Stephen A Douglas kept telling folks that Lincoln wanted your daughters to "sleep with and marry with NIGGERS".

Maybe you should learn how dangerous it was, politically and physically, in certain areas, and Illinois was one, Kansas another, to be seen as a "NIgger Worshipper" as some called Lincoln.

Because Lincoln knew it -- his political enemies knew it, and Lincoln had to get around that somehow.

And he did. 

Lincoln was actually kicking ass -- and changing minds -- by his parsing words.

Yes -- Lincoln could have been more blunt, and been shot earlier. He could have been more blunt and never got elected.

He could have been more blunt, and the border states go with the Confederates.  Would that make sense?   Lincoln knew what he was doing.

So did Stephen A Douglas. Douglas won that election -- remember?  Douglas stayed in the US Senate, and continued to help, behind the scenes, David Atchison in Kansas. 

Guess who knew that?  Frederick Douglass. 

Guess who didn't know that -- you.

Yes, he used the word NIGGER, which was cleaned up by many papers, but  not all.

When you read the full speeches, and know the dangers of his speaking any more candidly.   He was lucky he was not shot much sooner.

People today have no clue how dangerous -- physically dangerous -- it was to speak about equality for blacks.  Abolitionist was a dirty word in much of the US, and the famous abolition speakers did NOT go where Lincoln went, nor would they dare.  


Yes, some spoke more candidly -- in New York, in Maine.  They were speaking to crowds that would not shoot them in the head. 

Lincoln was speaking to crowds that might have folks willing to shoot him in the head -- and he did that, the night before he was shot in the head. He spoke too bluntly for Booth, who heard his speech about voting rights for blacks. 

Yes, you can show quotes which indicate Lincoln said all kinds of things -- read those quotes carefully, he did parse words, yes.  Such as "If -then" statements, "If I had to choose"  and "If it were up to me".

But read the full speeches, and more, learn what was going on, when  he said those things. 
Gee, I wonder why those who trash Lincoln "forget" to mention that.








Frederick Douglass insisted Lincoln was "radical, swift,  zealous and determined" for equality under the law, and the end of slavery. Was he stupid?

Gee - that Douglass was stupid, right?  He just needed to learn about Lincoln's letter to Greeley, right? He just needed to learn about those ten quotes, right? 

He was there, a slave who watched his own slaver father whip a woman to death, and scream bible verses as he tortured her, till she died.

He was stupid.  Easily fooled.

Uh no -  learn all the facts:  not the bullshit edited quotes, out of context. Learn WHAT Lincoln did, when, where and why.

Mostly  -- Learn what Lincoln was doing to stop the killers spreading slavery, and bragging about it. You won't be so stupid.  



Since none of us where there, we can only rely on what we are told.

What if we only know part of the story?   


Abraham Lincoln was called a "Nigger lover"  "Negro Worshiper"   and "obessed with equality for the Nigger" more times than he could count.  In a time when it was still physically dangerous to be "too much for the Nigger"  Lincoln was just that.  And he paid the price for that extremism of his words.  




Lincoln was "reluctant" to free the slaves, that  he was not for equality under the law? Lincoln "didn't believe" it was up to the federal government to interfere with slavery.

Yes, you can find quotes to that effect, you can also find quotes just the opposite.  Sadly, "historians" often do this "quote" game, which is fine, but get all the quotes in, if thats your game.

Lincoln did grow in awareness -- yes -- he grew in awareness how people in the North would, after a time, maintain the war enough to end slavery.

Do you think Robert E Lee really thought God ordained torture of slaves?  He wrote as much, if you want to play that game.  Lee wrote that God knew and intended slaves endure pain.

We all know Lee was just writing that bullshit to mollify his wife. It was the standard excuse used by thousands of slave owners. 

Lincoln -- surprise surprise -- had to speak in ways that would first, not get him shot a lot sooner, and second, would be effective.

Northern generals -- including Grant -- even said he would resign if he thought the war was about ending slavery.   So yeah, Lincoln could have said in 1858 "Hell yes, give me a half a chance, and I will kick slavery in the ass so hard, the God of slavery dies". 

That would have been a true statement, because that is what happened, the country gave Lincoln half a chance, and he really did kick slavery in the ass so hard, the God of slavery died. But that's another topic.

Most people in the North thought slaves were not quite human, and sure as hell didn't want freed slaves living around them.  It was illegal in Lincoln's state for blacks to move there.  Did you know that?

And remember, Douglas (Stephen A) was taunting Lincoln and the crowds, claiming Lincoln wanted your daughters to sleep with and marry "Niggers".

And yes, he said NIGGERS.   Douglas put a special emphasis on that word, according to eye witnesses, spitting it out as if poison.

Gee, none of those who trashed Lincoln (or praised Douglas) seem to mention that, either.  Wonder why?


Frederick Douglas paper reprinted Southern War Ultimatums -- do you even know about Southern War Ultimatums?

Hell no you don't -- for some goofy reason, no US text book even mentions them, much less shows them.

The Southern War Ultimatums -- printed first in Richmond papers, with headline "THE TRUE ISSUE".

How war ultimatums appeared in Douglass's paper.

Full text of Southern paper

The TRUE ISSUE -- and their war ultimatums, were that Lincoln allow the spread of slavery into Kansas, and Kansas "accept and respect slavery."

The WAR ultimatum, let that sink in WAR ULTIMATUM -- that Kansas accept and respect slavery.

Kansas had REJECTED slavery and become a free state, and by a 95% vote!!   Do you grasp that?   FUCKING HELL.

Kansas was a free state, in the Union, when Southern leaders demanded they "accept and respect" slavery, even though Kansas was a free state.

Maybe if I write that again, you will realize how fucked up these Southern lunatics actually were.  Lincoln is supposed to obey this shit?  Really?

It would help if US text books mentioned it- - so all the US would know what scum sucking pigs and lunatic Confederate leaders were.  

They didn't suggest it, didn't say it would be preferable.  They said in writing the war ultimatums are that Kansas accept and respect slavery.

Are you getting this?  And why the fuck is this not in US text books. It was in Confederate fucking newspapers at the time.

There isn't five people in the US that apparently know this now -- because it's not in text books.  But it was in Southern newspapers at the time bragging of it.

Go on -- go find ONE US text book, just one, that shows Southern War Ultimatums, and Jefferson Davis "logic" that killing to spread slavery was "constitutionally required" to spread slavery, by Dred Scott decision.

I will give  you 1000 dollars if you can find such a text book published from 1880-1990.   Hell, I'd give you 50K, but who knows, there might be some guy who wrote the truth in a US text book, stranger things have happened. 

And forget the damn paper, with the War Ultimatums as headlines "THE TRUE ISSUE" ---  this was common knowledge anyway -- Southern leaders had been demanding -- and killing to bring about -- slavery in Kansas and the west for years.

Not sorta, not kinda, not in a way.  That's what was going on, and everyone knew it. SOuthern leaders defended it -- naturally -- and Northern leaders exposed it.

I can't help it if your "history" teacher never told you.   There probably are some that teach it, but it's not in US text books in a clear way.

And no one was surprised, much the same thing was in other documents for years.   And Southern leaders were already in Kansas killing to spread slavery for years.

Guess who knew that? Douglass.

Guess who didn't tell you about Southern War Ultimatums? No one told you, unless you happened to read Southern newspapers and documents at the time, and pay attention to Frederick Douglass.

Do you think Douglass was stupid?   How about taking what he said seriously? 

Hell, how about taking Southern War ultimatums seriously?

  Did your teacher ever mention the killing sprees in Kansas, and Atchison bragging it was war, 1856, forward? Hell no.

So of course your teacher also did not mention the War Ultimatums in Richmond papers 1861.  They were about exactly the same thing -- the violent spread of slavery, state's rights be damned. Popular soverighty be damned.

You either grasp that, or you do not. Lincoln grasped it.  So did Davis, so did Atchison, and they were the ones doing it.


Lincoln did evolve-- on his awaress how he could kill slavery so bad, for the next 150 years, Southern leaders would deny the very things they bragged about then.

In 1854 on, Lincoln was kicking slavery in the ass sideways, exposing the violence to spread slavery,  and predicting slavery had to go, or the Union would go. One or the other.

Southern leaders were saying much the same thing -- either slavery would spread west - or it would end.   The Southern leaders hype was that if Lincoln or the North could stop the spread of slavery, they could stop slavery itself.

Lincoln was saying it in reverse. If the South could force slavery into Kansas, they could and would force it anywhere.

This was news to no one, except those who want to paint Lincoln as mild against slavery. He was radical -- way out there. And his political enemies were eager to point that out, North and South.

Yes, as the war went on -- finally it was possible to not just stop Southern leaders from killing to spread slavery (as they were doing, and promised more of, before the war)  but they could end slavery altogether.

Actually, for where Lincoln was, when he was, no one was more radical.    Those who spoke more radically sure as hell were not in Illinois and Kansas (Lincoln went to Kansas) saying anything like this, to these crowds.

When you learn Lincoln's full quotes, and know what was going on,  Lincoln was lucky he wasn't shot in the head sooner. 



Lincoln claims any black person is equal to ANY white person -- bet you did not know that.  


Did you know that?

Lincoln was trying to get elected -- from these voters.   Even though many were against slavery -- no one knew how they would deal with 8 million freed blacks.   Whites did not want the blacks living near them.  

Lincoln had to deal with this --  Southern governors were claiming that if blacks were free, they would have to kill slaves "with our own hands" or else live with them in a vile society where blacks would "be with white women".

You did not know that did you? Hell no.

The fear of free blacks was not just in the South.  Northerners feared that too.

No one told you that.

 Yes, Lincoln parsed words. Meanwhile, Southern leaders and Lincoln's  political enemies in the North, claimed blacks were sub human, ordained by God to be punished for biblical sins, all kinds of crap.  And Lincoln stands up to them and he is the bad guy? WTF?

These "historians" who trash Lincoln -- read them closely. Not one word about Southern leaders threat for genocide of freed blacks. Not one word about blacks being punished by God for biblical sins. Not one word about Lincoln being a "radical Nigger lover"  per his enemies.

WHy leave all that out?  You tell me!

  Guess who knew that?   Douglass knew. Lincoln knew.   Guess who does not know that -- you. Until I told you, you didn't have a clue.

There are lots of things like that -- that you don't know, but they did.


You can make Eisenhower look like a monster for invading France 1944 - until you find out about Hitler.

Why the fuck haven't we taught in our schools, what  the fuck was going on, long before Lincoln even got there?

And no -- we have never taught it. Not in candid honest terms. In fact, we barely mentioned any of it, in US text books, in the last 100 years. 


Lincoln called "Negro Worshiper"  by New York papers.




It's not just Stephen A Douglas who trashed Lincoln for being a Nigger lover and obsessed with equality for the Nigger.  New York papers called him a "Negro Worshiper".   He was regularly called "black republican"  and shown as an ape.

And he was eventually shot in the head, when Booth heard him speak about voting rights for blacks, and changed his plan from kidnapping to killing..

Gee -- wonder why those who trash Lincoln, "forget" to mention that.

At least Lincoln could speak against slavery in IL -- though his friend, Lovejoy was killed for it.   

Lincoln even went to Kansas, where it was, at the time, illegal to speak or publish newspapers against Kansas.   I have a feeling you didn't know about that, either, because you only know what you are told.

And no one told you that.

Douglas claims the "Nigger"  is nothing but problems -- "blab about Niggers"  "the endless Nigger" said Douglas.

And LIncoln wants your daughter to sleep with those Niggers.

NO one told you that?  And LINCOLN kicks slavery in the ass,  had all kinds of powerful speeches, letters, and documents that kicked slavery to death.

And somehow, these stupid fucks focus on out of context quotes -- and naturally, they know more than Frederick Douglass.



Every high school history teacher can tell you about Lincoln's letter to Greeley, where LIncoln says if he could save the union withouth freeing and slaves, he would.

So why would Lincoln write that letter to Greeley??

Actually, Lincoln did NOT write that letter to Greeley  -- he wrote to the border states, via Greeley, because Lincoln knew that in 24-48 hours, most people that mattered would read his letter to "Greeley".

More about that, below.

But they have Lincoln  the bad guy, for one letter where he emphasizes Union.   They do not explain that the war would be lost, and almost was, at the time, if Lincoln did not somehow assure the border states he was about Union.

Meanwhile, Southern leaders are killing to spread slavery, bragging about it, and that's fine. Lincoln is the bad guy?

Southern leaders made their war ultimatums known -- the spread of slavery.

Southern leaders had already made good on their promises of war -- by sending Texas men to Kansas to kill and terrorize from 1856 on. And Lincoln is the bad guy ?

Even some  Northern Congressmen were calling for the arrest -- the ARREST -- of anyone who said slavery had to end.    

Did you know that at the time Lincoln was being "horrible" by trying to keep the border states in the Union, Northern Congressmen were urging the arrest of anyone who even spoke the words, slavery should end?

Hell no, you didn't know.

Guess who knew?   Lincoln knew, of course.  Guess who else knew?

Frederick Douglass.

Guess who did not know -- you. 



One of the few things in life Frederick Douglas agreed with Stephen A Douglas about, was that Lincoln was radical.

Radical? Lincoln? Oh hell no -- didn't Douglass know about that letter to Greeley?  What a fool that Fred Douglass was, right? 


Douglass knew things -- you have no clue about.  Such as Lincoln was vilified for being a "obsessed with equality for the Nigger".

See any Foner book, McPherson book, Catton book.  See the documentary "Civil War" by Ken Burns. 

None of them explain this.   (Burns idiotically used Shelby Foote, who adored Jeff Davis, and thought we ended slavery too soon, as his "expert".)

And that some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested if he even spoke the WORDS that slavery should end.

Bet you never heard that, in your whole life? 

There were Northern Congressmen that supported the Civil War, but still wanted anyone arrested (including, especially) Lincoln if he even SAID slavery should end for the war to end.

Too complicated?  Need time?

Another thing -- four border states were about to join the Confederacy -- did you know that, or not.  If they join the Confederacy, the war is over, and as promised, slavery spreads.

Yes, Southern War ultimatums were for the spread of slavery --  more on that later.

Fred Douglass also knew Lincoln's big problem was not so much Southern leaders -- they could be dealt with.   But some in the North were doing all they could to help spread slavery, even after the Civil War started, like Roger Taney.

No, you did not know that.

More than anything, Lincoln had to keep those  border states in the Union.  That's what he did with the Greeley letter. He won the war.

Yeah, he is SO FUCKING horrible, he spoke about Union in a very clever way.   Oh my God how horrible.

But he had ALREADY a long history of kick ass actions and kick ass words against slavery.




Here is another thing - and there are many - that those who trash Lincoln "forget" to mention.

Even historians who praise Lincoln, like to piss on him a little, just to prove to stupid people they are not caught up in "Lincoln fever".


NO, your "history teacher" has no clue about some of this.

Blacks are HUMAN?  No way, said the court.

Stephen A Douglas made damn sure he told crowds Lincoln was radical, and violating his oath as an attorney -  and being a "traitor" in one speech  -- for simply saying blacks are human beings.

The US Supreme Court officially ruled -- RULED -- they are not human beings, but property.

Did you know Lincoln was "radical" for even claiming blacks were human beings, with rights?

When you understand that the US Supreme Court officially ruled -- in fact, ordered -- that blacks be seen not as human beings (not as persons) but as property, you won't be so stupid about history, or Lincoln.

Per the US Supreme Court in Dred Scott -- officially, not kinda, not sorta, not in a way -- blacks were not human beings for purposes of the Constitution, when Lincoln ran for US Senate.

There is not one "historian"  I have ever read that mentions this.   When Lincoln ran for Senate, then President, blacks were officially -- remember officially -- not human beings, not persons, under the Constitution.

Lincoln railed against this time, and time and time again.

Jeff Davis and Stephen A Douglas boasted of it. Blacks are PROPERTY, and as such Kansas (nor any place) can keep property out of a state or territory.

You had no clue about that, till just now, did you?  But this was the most basic argument Lincoln made, again, and again, and again, and again.  

From the decision itself. Read it.  These are the words Jeff Davis boasted of, and referred to.  The were the words that justified -- according to Davis -- everything Atchison did in Kansas, including his killing sprees, arrest of those who would not pledge allegance to slavery, and violent creation of a "bogus legislature".

Lincoln, again, and again, and again, was insulted in public, just because he claimed blacks were human beings and as such, had inalienable rights.

Did you know --  yes or no -- that New York papers made fun of Lincoln as a "Negro Worshiper"  because he said blacks were equal to whites?

Hell no, you don't know that.  Stuck in your mind is the out of context quote that seems Lincoln claims blacks are not equal. Read the whole quote, the whole speech, closely, and LIncoln is saying quite another thing.  And everyone knew it. No one  left a Lincoln speech or debate and was confused at all.
Lincoln was not just radical -- running for office where he was, where it was illegal for blacks to even move to Illinois, and the Supreme Court rules blacks are to be recognized as property, not persons -- he was damn radical.

And Douglas beat the living crap out of Lincoln for it. Read the damn debates --  Douglas was telling folks Lincoln wanted your daughters to sleep with *iggers.   Douglas had the crowd jeering and laughing at Lincoln,  calling him a "revolutionary" and obsessed with equality for the Negro.

Then Lincoln had to explain himself, to people  many of them, who saw blacks as some myterious part human, part animal that was a threat to your wife and daughter.

Did you know that, or not?   Maybe it's time you knew.

Like the letter to Greeley -- Four borders states were about to flip sides and join the Confederates, nearly did. If you did not know that, blame your history teacher.

Lincoln knew. The whole country knew.

In effect, Lincoln was writing to these Southern states -- not so much to Greeley. Greeley knew exactly why Lincoln said this.

The border states had "mini civil wars" going on, and they were slave states.  If Lincoln was too blunt then, they all join the Confederacy, and the Civil War is over.  SLavery spreads, exactly as Southern leaders promised.

But -- as Greeley knew well -- Lincoln had a long history, 1846 on, of kicking slavery in the ass.

Douglas won 1858 election, because of that.  Did you know that?  The electors saw Lincoln as too radical. Douglas fear and hate mongering worked.

There is not a history teacher in the US that teaches that, but it was as basic at it gets, in 1858.   This is essentially what Lincoln Douglas debated -- were blacks humans, or property?

Lincoln said they were human beings -- equal to ANY white man.

Stephen Douglas said blacks  were property --  per the US Supreme Court, he was right!!  Douglas said Lincoln was "preaching revolution" to say otherwise.

In the east, Douglas called LIncoln a traitor, a radical who cared more for the Negro that his own country and white race. He wanted folks to know -- Lincoln was far too radical to be elected, he would blacks voting, marrying and have mixed race babies.

People were still being killed for being that "radical".  Abolitionist was one rung above child molester, and not that far above, to many people.

We think of "abolitionist"  as good folks-- that term was an insult then, to many people.

Get your head around that.



Lincoln paid for his "obession for equality for the Nigger" told the crowds. Lincoln lost that election -- 


Lincoln would eventually take a  bullet to the brain, put there by John Wilkes Booth, after Booth heard Lincoln speak openly about voting rights for blacks.

Did you know Booth changed in his plan from kidnap to kill, after he heard LIncoln's speech about voting rights?

Oh -- you mean whoever told you LIncoln didn't really care about slavery, forgot to mention that?

Here is my surprised look.


Did Lincoln's overall message say blacks are not his equal? Hell no.

But they quote that speech to make it seem like he was. 

  The female slave is Lincoln's equal, Douglas's equal, and the equal of any white man.  

Lincoln brought down the thunder, he kicked ass - in a way that no one could misunderstand.

Yes, people 100 years later liked to piss on Lincoln by selected misleading quotes.

Lincoln didn't give a fuck.  He kicked slavery in the ass sideways, and if lying bastards and opportunist wanted to play word games 100 years hence --I doubt he would give a shit.

So why quote the part where Lincoln seemed to say the opposite, and leave out his full speech?

Gee, why not mention that quote?  Lincoln had hundreds of those.

Why not mention Lincoln's actions -- kicking slavery in the ass, 1846 on, and then, when he could get his long strong arms around slavery's neck, LIncoln kept choking that bastard till it was dead, dead, and no one dared mention again, the "God of slavery."




Killing the God of Slavery. Lincoln's final gesture


No one seems to grasp this now -- but once Lee surrendered, do you know that no Southern leader, not one, not for the next 150 years, ever claimed that bullshit again, about God intended slavery, intended slaves be tortured (yes, they claimed that before, often) and that God wanted white men to enslave the black race.)

That all stopped -- instantly.  An amazing difference.  Blacks were still beaten, some were in slavery illegally, many of the horrible things continued.

But not that "God ordained" slavery shit.

Lincoln kicked that bastard sideways, and that God, really did, die.


Plus Lincoln's actions.  Have you ever heard about his "radical" actions from 1846-65?

Douglass knew all these.  Did anyone bother to mention them, to you?

And mention how Douglas taunted Lincoln first, about wanting your daughters to sleep with and marry "*iggers".

By the way, when Douglas would taunt LIncoln about being for more for the Negro what for his own country,  crowds would boo Lincoln, and comments like "America is for whites" came from the audience, very likely Douglas plants in the auidience. 

Do you know Douglas took a cannon with him, and  entire railroad car of nothing but a cannon and shells, and had it fired before  his speeches?

No one told you that, did they.  That's the kind of thing Douglas did -- and it worked.

But stupid fucks, lying bastards, and "scholars" alike have taken that speech, and made Lincoln look horrible.

Remember  that.  Remember that.


WTF do those who quote Lincoln, never quote that, and a thousand other quotes.  How about reading the whole damn speech? 

Don't have the time?  Or just already have your quip, and don't give a shit?  That's kinda it. 

More, why never show Lincoln's actions, kicking slavery in the ass sideways, as much as possible, where he was, when he was there?

Because bullshit sounds better?  That's probably one reason. The other is -- "scholars" often know things in shallow fashion, but can bloviate and bullshit, to give the misimpression they know all the facts. 

And I found Jefferson Davis boasting of it. Not agreeing -- boasting. Davis used this decision as his "logic" that he could spread slavery into Kansas, against states rights.

this is from  his book -- READ IT.

Blacks are not to be recognized as persons - not part of the people.  And slavery is "entitled to protection" -- the federal government must protect slavery.

Lincoln knew this.  Hell most people alive knew it, on both sides.   Why the hell this is not taught, I don't know.   

Lincoln did know and did respond -- his House Divided speech is his major response to Dred Scott decision.  

Has anyone ever told you that? History teacher blab on about a complex balance of states rights,  blah, blah.  Jeff Davis hated and rejected states rights, by citing Dred Scott. 


Believe it or not, "scholars"  can at times, repeat bullshit.   Something sounds good, if they have a quote or two to seemingly validate something, they go with it. 

Like baseball players love to hit home runs, "scholars" love to sound smart. Diminishing Lincoln is one way to sound smart.  Others out right trash Lincoln, for the same reason, to sound smart.

Trash Lincoln all you want -- just get all the facts, not selected quotes, out of context, which ignore the powerful, even stunning and radical things Llincoln said about equality of the races.  And -- learn what the hell he did -- that would be nice, too. 

Trash him for whatever reason you want -- just not out of stupidity.  

 See "On Bullshit" by a real scholar, Harry G Frankfort, Princeton. Really, scholars love to sound smart, that's their goal. Historians are no exceptions. Hell, they may do it more than most.

Jefferson Davis did -- read his book. 

Lincoln was aghast, and Douglas was happy as a claim about Dred Scott.

It would help if your stupid teacher explained it, instead of yapping on like a moron about where Dred was from, etc etc.  

Guess who knew that? 

Frederick Douglass knew.

Guess who also knew that, and got back into politics because of Dred Scott and Kansas Act?



Blacks were "inferior" beings -- so inferior, per the Court, that no white person could assume they had any rights. 

Most high school and college teachers give the impression  Dred Scott decision being about "citizenship". 

  Gawd, what dumb asses teachers can  be about Lincoln.   It's not their fault, they get their information from books, instead of original sources.






Guess who said Kansas and then Dred Scott decision were vile machinery, intentionally placed, to push slaver until it was forced into all states?

Lincoln.  And by the way, the logic of Dred Scott made that inevitable, unless the decision was overturned. 

Guess who did not know -- you didn't know. And likely, either did your "history" teachers. 

There is not one in ten "history teachers" that can tell you the Taney court ordered - yes ordered -- the federal government to protect slavery.

Jeff Davis bragged about that fact -- did you know that?  Let me make this clear enough for history "teachers".

Jeff Davis bragged that Dred Scott decision ordered the protection of slavery.

Not kinda. Not sorta. Not in a way.  That's what he fucking bragged about -- even in his own book.  Go read his book.

When Davis sent Atchison to Kansas, and paid for the Texas men Atchison used, this was his justification -- Taney's order that blacks are not human beings, but property.   Very basic.

VERY basic.  


The fact you do not know this -- everyone knew it in 1850's -- show how whitewashed the Dred Scott decision has been, we now teach it as something about "citizenship"  and Congress can not decide slavery issues in the territories.

You should read the whole decision-- the "logic" of their order was that blacks are NOT human beings, but "so inferior" they are a different class of beings.

This is much like Jefferson Davis claim -- that blacks are "so inferior" that they are a "different caste" . The Vice President of Confederacy boasted blacks are being punished by God for biblical sins.  

This is what Lincoln was up against.



Never mind LIncoln's other 1000 letters, his 2000 speeches, his actions from 1846 on. Context does not matter?

The fact Lincoln was taunted as "Nigger lover"  and "Negro Worhiper" - does not matter?

The fact Lincoln's full speeches are powerful as hell -- and far more effective -- than anyone else at the time, does not matter?   

Doesn't Douglass know Lincoln was against equality!  Against popular sovereignty, for slavery?

Everyone knows that. We saw the quotes!

We have the proof in his own words, right?  Read all his words, you won't be so stupid.   Put all his words, together with his actions, and the actions of those killing to spread slavery -- you wont be so stupid about that, either.


I know your "history teachers" didn't tell you, 

but Lincoln enemies shouted this out -- LIncoln was a radical and obsessed with equality -- for just saying blacks were human beings, with rights.

And Lincoln lost the Senate race, for that reason.

Douglas was able to stay in office two more years, helping his Southern friends, in Kansas.    

Stephen Douglas made fun of Lincoln -- so did Northern newspapers -- for claiming blacks were human beings, created by God with inalienable rights.

Many people -- even in the North - agreed with Douglas, not Lincoln. Lincoln lost that election.   He did not beat Douglas in 1858. 

It was illegal in Illinois -- Lincoln's state -- for blacks to move there.   If they weren't already there in 1850, it became against the law for blacks to move there!.

Did you know that? Hell no. 

This is as basic as it gets. Blacks are not human beings (not persons)  but inferior beings.

Guess who stood up to this shit?     


When LIncoln dared to call blacks not only human beings, but equal to whites in all rights under the law -- not only the South, but many in the North thought he was damn radical.

But since you probably never heard, much less knew, that the Court ordered blacks to be recognized as not persons, but property, you don't know much of what Lincoln was up against.

Maybe it's time you learned?_________________________________

We now have "history teachers" who have no clue Lincoln was hated, feared, mocked for being a "radical abolitionist" in newspapers in the NORTH.

Nor do they know much - if anything -- how Lincoln was  kicking slavery in the ass sideways from 1846 on. No,  he was not kicking slavery in the ass sideways like John Brown.

John Brown lasted about two hours, in Virginia, kicking slavery in the ass his way. Then he was hung, and so were his sons.

His other son already got killed, back in Kansas.

Lincoln fought a bit smarter -- and got the job done.



Where he was, when he was, Lincoln was radical, even though he tried very hard to parse words to downplay the fears of Northern folks.

"Negro Worshiper" was a common taunt of people then who were against slavery.  Even New York papers taunted Lincoln as a Negro Worshiper, claiming Lincoln was out of his mind, by claiming blacks were equal to the white race.

You can -- many people do -- get Lincoln quotes and make it seem absolutely certain LIncoln thought blacks were inferior.

Read the WHOLE damn speech, and learn context. 

Lincoln brought down the thunder -- but you'd have to read the full speech, and know context.  If you want a quick quote to make you seem smart, you can do that and trash Lincoln.  Have a party, you will have a lot of people at that party.

Lincoln wanted your wife and daughter to "be with Niggers" on the same street, to marry "Niggers"  and let "Niggers" on juries and to vote. 




Lincoln's letter to Greeley is one every body knows.  Yes, Lincoln made it very clear, in word and deed, that keeping the Union together meant slavery would have to end.

Southern leaders used Lincoln's House Divided Speech (either slavery will end, or the Union will end) to prove Lincoln was planning violence against the South.

When Lincoln wrote the letter to Greeley, four Southern states, still in the Union, were having a hell of a fight within the state, to join the Confederacy or Union.

Lincoln was actually writing those states -- via Greeley.   If those states go to the Confederacy, the war is not only over, but slavery spreads to Kansas and beyond, exactly as Southern War Ultimatums demanded. 

Greeley sure as hell knew what Lincoln was saying -- and read Lincoln's word very carefully.  He parsed words, so that the border states might stay in the Union, and slavery end that way. 


Besides calling Lincoln a "Negro Worshiper"   who is "obsessed with equality for the Nigger",    Stephen Douglas made up stories that Lincoln was seen with white women and a black man, in a carriage.   

This is not in dispute, it's in the damn Lincoln Douglas debates, go read the debates!

The same debates everyone claims to know about, but seem cluess that in those debates,  Douglas called  Lincoln obsessed with "Nigger equality"

Go read the damn Lincoln Douglas debates, and have your "history teacher" do it, as well.



While Lincoln COULD legally speak against slavery in the North, he would have been arrested -- maybe hung -- for speaking like this in the South.   People today just don't grasp that.  

And while he COULD have written Greeley saying "Hell yes, Im going to end slavery if I can, the South started this shit, they were killing for 5 years already, their war ultimatums were about the spread of slavery.   It's time to kick their ass".

That would have felt nice -- and been true -- but Lincoln parsed words instead, and won the war, ended slavery.

Horrible guy, right? A few times, he spoke about UNION, in order to stop the spread of slavery. Yeah, some people are just vile like that. Lincoln was one of them.

The same ass wipes that trash Lincoln for saying something about Union, not only don't tell the context or his full speeches and actions, they dont say a fucking word -- not a fucking word -- about Southern leaders bragging they were killing to spread slavery, that blacks were not human beings, and promising to spread slavery to all the West.

Try to grasp that.   

You don't know shit about Lincoln or the Civil War, unless you know what Southern leaders did -- who they killed, and who they bragged about killing, and about their war ultimatums.

I don't give a shit what your "teacher" told you -- learn the full set of facts, and you won't be so stupid.



People  were arrested in the South, just for owning the wrong  book-- even preachers were arrested.

The article claims the South is the most moral, religious, and contented law abiding people on earth.   But those abolitionist are against God, against religion, against decency, and should be hung.  

The US Senator from Missouri boasted in his speech, he would kill to spread slavery, and kill to stop folks from speaking openly against slavery. That's not from some nut -- that was a US Senator boasting of it.

Those against slavery are against human virture, against modesty, they "must be hung or put in the penitentary" or the South will secede at once.


Frederick Douglass knew about articles like this -- because he reprinted them, in his own paper.

So Douglas knew the dangers to Lincoln -- and he knew Lincoln was trying to win elections, to get support of folks who thought blacks were sorta dogs that could talk and walk upright.

But Frederick Douglass already knew that.

Even in Illinois, speaking too candidly against slavery could get you shot - a fact Lincoln's friend Lovejoy learned too late. He was killed for his anti slavery newspaper.

Lincoln himself was shot in the head, by Booth, after Booth heard Lincoln speak for voting rights for blacks. Booth changed his plan from kidnapping, to killing, because of Lincoln's speech about voting rights.

Did anyone bother -- ever -- to tell you that?

I just did. Frederick Douglass already knew it.



If you learn Lincoln's full speeches, and full actions, you wont be fooled so easily by dumbasses who claim Lincoln was not really against slavery, or only cared about Union.

Some of Lincoln's actions, 1846 on.

People who saw Lincoln's speeches and debates did not say stupid things like "Lincoln is not really against slavery".     Nor did they say "Lincoln was reluctant to free the slaves".   
But see the video anyway, "Nigger" word cleaned up to "Negro" or not.  And go read his full speeches, his full debates -- and learn his full actions.

You may learn a  lot.  We did.

Douglass knew that most whites -- even in the North - would not walk across the street to free a slave, much less fight a war to do it.  He knew Lincoln had to gather support from millions of people who did not want blacks living anywhere near them, including Illinois, where it was illegal for a black person to move to.

Your "history" teacher may or may not know that. But Frederick Douglass lived it.  When you understand what Douglass knew, and why he said Lincoln was radical, swift, zealous, and determined, you won't be so stupid about the Civil War, or Lincoln.


Frederick Douglass was world famous before most people in  Illinois  ever heard of Lincoln.  He had been tortured, he has seen a slave woman whipped to death while the slave master shouted bible verses.

His biological father raped his mother, a slave woman, and would send bounty hunters after Douglass when he escaped.

Douglass  had seen slaves torn by slave dogs, specially trained to attack blacks who ran.


Other things NORTHERN politicians and NORTHERN newspapers called Lincoln at the time:






      'Lincoln is an ignorant man who, by stopping the spread of slavery, will be like burning us to death slowly'

     'Lincoln and black Republican's  true intention is clear, to abolish slavery in all of the states'


If you told people in 1854-1865, that Lincoln was not against slavery, most of them would have looked at you like you were out of your mind.

For that place, and to the people Lincoln needed to get to vote for him, he was radical -- and lost several elections, because of it.


Actually, though Lincoln did parse words at times, overall, read his FULL speeches, and see, LIncoln was kicking slavery in the ass sideways, from 1846 on, when he stood up as a fresman Congressman, to President Polk, and called him on expanding slavery, via the Mexican War.

In fact, where he was, and where he was, LIncoln was radical as hell, and he had to be careful or he would have been shot much sooner.    

Those who claim LIncoln was not against slavery -- are you nuts?  NO one else did what he did, long before the Civil War. Lincoln essentially did nothing BUT travel around IL because of Kansas Act, and work to unseat the man who got it passed, Stephen A Douglas.

Lincoln gave over 2000 speeches, and his full speeches are amazing -- and for his time and place, radical as can be.

Others did speak more candidly -- but not in Illinois, and not where he did.   The big "abolitionist"  speakers would not dare go where Lincoln went -- they were speaking to audiences that already agreed with them.

Llincoln was speaking to folks who thought blacks were somehow not fully human. At the time, Illinois did not even allow blacks to move there into the state -- did you know that?

Many whites would not walk across the street to piss on a black person, much less fight a war to free him.   Lincoln had to change those folks mind, and get their votes.

Lincoln was shot, for speaking too candidly, about voting rights for blacks.   Booth changed his plan from kidnapping to killing, when he heard Lincoln speak of voting rights for blacks.

Did anyone ever tell you that? 

Douglass knew about that.   You probably did not. And there is much, much more. 

Swift?  Radical?  Zealous?  Determined?

Lincoln was parsing words in that letter, he had already said dozens of times, saving the Union was the way to end slavery, and Southern leaders were livid about that.   In fact, Lincoln's House Divided speech created havoc in the South, their leaders claiming that speech was proof Lincoln intended to end slavery by force in the South.

If Lincoln were any more blunt -- less artful -- in his letter to the border states (yes, the letter to Greeley was actually a letter to the border states)  those states very likely go with the confederacy.  There were powerful and many folks in those states urging them to join the Confederacy.

Lincoln knew that.  He knew it very well. Pro-union folks from those states were frantically writing Lincoln, telling him to disavow any wish to end slavery, or those states would join the Confederacy.

Douglass knew that. No one ever told you, yet it's as basic as it gets.

 And remember, - before, during and after that period -- LIncoln wrote hundreds of other letters, gave hundreds of other speeches, showing something quite different than the impression some hope to give, by the Greeley letter,


Frederick Douglass. What a dumb ass old Fred Douglass was. Didn't know his ass from a banana, right?   

Too bad Douglass didn't know about that letter to Greeley! Oh, he knew?Well, too bad Douglass didn't know about those comments in the Lincoln Douglas debates, then.

Oh, he knew?

Too bad Douglass didn't know what Lincoln did, then.  Oh, he knew?


For example, Douglass knew that repeatedly Stephen A Douglas accused Lincoln of being with a white woman, and  a black man, in public, in a carriage.  A charge that could still get you shot in 1856.

Did you know that? 

Anyone ever tell you that Stephen Douglas told crowds, in the debates, that Lincoln was seen with a white woman and Frederick Douglass in a carriage?   (no, Lincoln had not met F. Douglas yet)

No one ever told you.  And no one ever told you, that kind of activity could get you shot, or beaten.

And it sure as hell was going to make you lose an election.  In fact Stephen Douglas did beat Lincoln then, because he made enough people afraid that LIncoln too "obsessed with equality for the *igger".



So yes, Lincoln had to parse words -- but read Lincoln's FULL speeches, which are amazingly powerful, and radical, for that time, and place.

That's right, even when parsing words, Lincoln was radical and stunning, for that time and place, in front of those people.



Frederick Douglas -- big kidder, right?  

Douglass saw a woman whipped to death by his owner, who screamed scriptures to cover the cries of pain by the victim.  Douglass himself was tortured for trying to escape, escaped again, and was pursued for years.  He went to England to get away from bounty hunters. 

Douglass, even after he was famous, had be purchased, from his own biological father who had raped his mother, that guy was just a fool? 

Take a good look at Douglass's picture, and know his story.  Think he was kidding when he said Lincoln was radical?

Lincoln fooled him?  Really? 



Most of all, Douglass knew what Lincoln was up against -- namely, that most white folks saw blacks as some kind of subhuman inferior being.

In fact the US Supreme Court ruled that blacks were "so inferior"  they were not human beings, not persons, under the law, but property, a fact that few people today have an clue about (see below)

Lincoln was "radical"  according to Stephen A Douglas, just for saying blacks were persons with rights!

Douglass also knew that the real bastards who were trying to bring down Lincoln were in the NORTH, guys like Stephen Douglas, and the Congressmen that wanted Lincoln arrested if he even said slavery should end for the war to end.

You never heard any of that, did you? Douglass knew it, and much more, very well.

Douglass knew well, if Lincoln spoke too bluntly, not only would he lose the election (he did lose, in 1858)  but  he risked getting shot, much earlier than he did get show.

In Illinois, when Lincoln and Douglas debated, it was against the law in Illinois for a black person to even move there.  Did you know that?

 Frederick Douglass knew that.  It would be illegal for Frederick Douglas to move to Illinois before the Civil War.  Did you know that?  Hell no. No one told you. If a black came into the state, he was supposed to keep moving.  Blacks were "inferior beings"  in Illinois too, and Stephen Douglas berated Lincoln often for Lincoln's "obsession" for equality.

Lincoln called "Negro Worshiper"  by New York papers.

 Lincoln's enemies at that time trashed him for just the opposite reason, a fact Lincoln detractors today, seem blissfully unaware of.


LINCOLN?  Radical to end slavery?  That's hilarious!  Poor Frederick Douglass, such a sucker.   Man, Lincoln conned that fool.

Lincoln ZEALOUS?   

Are you kidding!!  Everyone knows Lincoln was "reluctant" to free the slaves, and promised the South he was not out to destroy slavery where it existed.

Didn't Douglass know anything?

 Even the "Lincoln" scholars admit old Abe wrote that entire letter to Greeley, that he was out to save the Union. 



Border states did not matter, no matter what Lincoln tried to say. 

Lincoln SWIFT?   Frederick Douglass may have been a genius, but he was sure a dumb ass about Lincoln, even though he was there.  Lincoln was so slow to do anything. 

Who cares about border states?  Lincoln did say he hoped God was on Union side, but he really needed Kentucky on the Union side, or all was lost.

What did Lincoln know?  

Border States?  So what?   It's not just one Lincoln  letter, even if that was written to keep the border states from joining the Confederacy.  Okay, so  the North loses the Civil War if those four states join Jeff Davis. So Lincoln was trying to keep those four states in the Union.  Big deal.

It's still terrible, awful, that Lincoln wrote a letter about Union!

Never mind that later, when he was able, Lincoln kicked slavery in the ass sideways, as soon as he could, and kicked slavery so completely, one historian said "He killed the Southern God of slavery, forever."


 Never mind that some Southern leaders were warning that they would have to kill all the slaves, if anyone tried to stop the spread of slavery (see below).

No one told you that, but every dumb ass seems to know about Lincoln's letter to Greeley. No, they don't know context, when, or what was going on, but they know it.

No, they don't know Southern leaders promised war-- then delivered it -- if Lincoln did not obey their ultimatums to spread slavery.

Oh you never heard of Southern ultimatums of 1861?   But you know about one letter Lincoln wrote for political purposes?

Maybe you are the dumb ass, not Douglass?

Because Douglass knew about the War Ultimatums, the genocide threats, and the fact most whites, even in the North in 1862, would not walk across the street to spit on a black person, much less fight a war to free them.

Never mind that Southern leaders promised war, and issued war ultimatums if anyone tried to stop them from spreading slavery to the Pacific (see below).

Never mind that Southern leaders said blacks were not even human beings,  and the Confederacy was based on "the great moral" scientific and religious truth that God gave the inferior black race to the South, to punish for biblical sins (Vice President of CSA, Alexander Stephens).

That's all fine -- no one even mentions that!

But Lincoln writes a letter to keep the border states in the UNION?

OMG what a horrible vile man.  How on earth can God forgive him?    A tyrant.  Such a tyrant!  




In fact, that is exactly what many have done, patch together a few words here, a few there.  

 LIncoln gave over 2000 speeches, with stunning power,  "kicking slavery in the ass sideways -- he kicked slavery so hard, the God of slavery fell over and died"  .

Those "quotes" are often from the LIncoln Douglas debates -- where the full speech, given in context, shows Lincoln was amazingly powerful for equality.    Yet those clever "quotes" give the opposite impression.

In the video above, Lincoln did utter the words, blacks are NOT my equal, right? But was that his message? HELL NO. Quite the reverse, actually.

And Lincoln was effective -- this kind of rhetoric is why so many people started to change their minds.  

If Lincoln had gotten up and said "Hell yes, blacks are equal, and they should have the same rights as you, your daughter should be able to marry a black person. Please vote for me"   He would have probably been shot, a lot sooner than he was. 

Lincoln kept talking, in that clip you see it, he SAID she is not my equal, then blasted the living shit out of that sentiment, not ten seconds later.

No one -- no one -- was as effective as Lincoln.  Yes, some speakers were more direct, but they were not running for office, they were not in Illinois speaking to people who thought blacks should all go back to Africa. 

Guess-- go ahead, really, guess -- which part of that speech LIncoln detractors use?   The part where he said she is NOT my equal.

Lincoln was parsing words -- he was very good at it, and no one who was there was confused.  

But you can chop off a sentence or two, and make Lincoln sound horrible.  Lincoln wisely  disarmed the public with his humor -- he did not directly refute their deep prejudices.   Then he presented his points in a stunningly effective way.

Here is something you don't know, nor would those who trash LIncoln ever tell you, if they knew.

Stephen A Douglas regularly called Lincoln everything from a radical "Nigger lover"  to "Nigger Worshiper"   that wanted your daughters and wive's to "sleep with Niggers".

Yes, Douglas used that "N word"  even in the Senate, after his "deal with the devil"  as one historian called it, to help the South spread slavery in return for their support of Stephen Douglas's railroad plans.

The point is, Stephen Douglas called Lincoln a Nigger lover, and obsessed with equality for the "Nigger"  for a very good reason -- people did not want equality for "Niggers".  In Illinois it was illegal for a black person to move to Illinois.

Most people in Illinois had never even seen a slave -- did you know that, or not?

   Stephen A Douglas won that election, in 1858, because he painted Lincoln as a "radical abolitionist".

No one told you that.


Well, then please tell me, why from 1846 on, certainly after 1854 on, was LIncoln accused of being "obsessed with equality for the Nigger".

If you knew all of Lincoln's actions, and all of Lincoln's speeches, you would know, Lincoln's enemies at the time were right, he was obsessed with ending slavery, first by stopping the spread of it.

But you would have to know what the hell he did and said.



Going where he did, and when he did, was radical -- even dangerous.  Lincoln's friend, Lovejoy, was killed for speaking too candidly against slavery.  Did you know that, or not?

No one ever told you that, did they? Douglass knew.

Lincoln himself was killed, after he spoke too candidly, for voting rights for blacks.   Booth heard his speech about voting rights for "educated blacks"  and changed his plan from kidnapping, to killing.

No one ever told you that, did they? Douglass knew.

See, it matters what the hell you know. It would help if those trashing Lincoln would know his full speeches and full actions, but they don't, and they seem to like it that way. 


POLK SALAD  1846 - 1865

 Lincoln had a long history of 1846 on,  of taking radical (for the time) stands.  He stood to President Polk,  actually accusing Polk correctly, of pushing for a war against Mexico, to steal land that would be used to spread slavery.

No one told you that, did they.

When Lincoln could not shame Polk and others from a war to spread slavery, Lincoln pushed  for Wilmont Proviso 40 times,  that would have kept slavery out of the areas US just stole from Mexico.  Lincoln was on the "shit list"   of slave owners ever after.

No one told you that, did they?

Lincoln as Congressman,  tried to end slavery in DC.

No one told you that, did they.

Did those who trash Lincoln -- or act like he didn't care about slavery, ever tell you about  12 years that Lincoln did nothing but speak and travel around, get into office, as President, then kick slavery in the ass?

You mean they forgot to mention that?   But they told you about a letter to Greeley, out of context. 

That whole "kicking slavery in the ass sideways"   meant nothing, right?   

Even after Lincoln could have kept the Union together, but STILL kicked slavery until it was dead dead dead, that was just for show.

That letter to Greeley means the 2000 other letters, the 2000 other speeches, don't matter.   


That some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested if he even spoke the words "slavery must end, for the war to end" -- that means nothing?

Get the full set of facts, and those who trash Lincoln, out of stupidity or malice, won't be so stupid.  

Frederick Douglass was smart enough to know the full story. 

Douglass knew  context -- like the fact some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested for simply saying the Civil War should end slavery.  Douglass knew full speeches, and mostly, Douglass knew Lincoln's full actions.


It was still dangerous -- physically dangerous - in most of the USA,in all of the South, and in Kansas, to even speak openly against slavery.   Even in Illinois, it was political suicide to be seen as an "abolitionist".  LIncoln LOST the Senate race in IL, because too many people thought he was "A nigger lover"  that would "bring Niggers" into Illinois and give them "equal rights"  and let them "be with your women".

No one told you that, did they. Not in your entire life.

SEE CLIP  BELOW -- remember Douglas used the word "Nigger" in the debates, most newspapers cleaned that up.  Douglas even used the word "Nigger" in the Senate, to show his solidarity with Southern leaders, though they would use the word "Negro".  




Most Lincoln "scholars" could not for the life of them, tell you what the Southern War Ultimatums were, in 1861.

Yet it was headlines in Richmond and New York newspapers, and the Vice President of the Confederacy tried to visit Lincoln, to hand him those war ultimatums. Lincoln well knew the war ultimatums.

Frederick Douglass knew.


Most Lincoln "scholars"  can not tell you what Lincoln said in his House Divided Speech, where LIncoln said slavery would end, or the Union would end.  Southern leaders had it right, LIncoln's  house divided speech was Lincoln's assertion that keeping Union together, meant an end to slavery.

That's right, Southern leaders spotted Lincoln's meaning in House Divided, and said so.  Keeping the Union together meant an end to slavery.  

Frederick Douglass knew.


Most Lincoln "scholars" could not tell you who the Northern Congressmen were, that wanted President Lincoln arrested, if he even said the words "slavery must end"  as a goal of the Civil War.




Lincoln spoke over 2000 times from 1853 on, no one spoke more often, more places, and more effectively than Lincoln.

And Lincoln spoke to people, many of whom would not walk across the street to spit on a black person if they were on fire, much less fight a war to end slavery.

Lincoln's genius was getting a population, most of whom did not want blacks anywhere near them, to fight a war that stopped the spread of slavery, and in the process, ended slavery itself.

LIncoln spoke of slavery -- why it had to end.  His House Divided speech specifically was about Southern leaders were spreading slavery by design, a design that would force slavery into all the Union, into the rest of the USA, even into states that already were free states.

In other words, when Lincoln spoke of Union, he was speaking about ending slavery.  To him, and correctly so, keeping the Union together was the only way to stop the spread of slavery.

Over, and over, and over, Lincoln would  seem to agree with a sentiment of the day -- such as blacks are not equal.   

Then, over and over and over, Lincoln would kick the living shit out of that same sentiment.   

Lincoln was very clever about his words, read them closely.   He learned very well to say things in a way that did not offend -- he was running for office. 

Did he give the message that blacks are certainly not my equal.  Hell now -- SHE IS MY EQUAL AND THE EQUAL OF ME AND JUDGE DOUGLAS, AND SHE IS THE EQUAL OF ANY MAN.

Do you see why those lying bastards leave that out?  Lincoln did this over, and over.   Read his FULL speeches.

Yes, he parsed words.  But in that day, in that time, to those people, LIncoln was radical -- he was like nothing most of them ever saw before, he said things many of them never considered before.

But you have to read his FULL speeches, and learn his FULL actions.  So many stupid people have fallen the bullshit that Lincoln "did not really care"  about slavery.

But then what did he do?   He kicked the shit out of that sentiment by thundering - "but in her natural right to eat the food she made with her own hands SHE IS MY EQUAL AND THE EQUAL OF ANY MAN. 

That was damn radical at the time. 

No one - no one - -left a Lincoln speech or debate confused whatsoever that Lincoln loathed slavery and was dedicated first to stop the spread of it, then to kill it, like a cancer is cured, by stopping the spread of it .

People were still in danger where LIncoln was, for being seen as "abolitionist"  -- in fact people were still being killed, in Northern states, for being "too abolitionists"

If you don't know that, you don't know how amazing Lincoln's full speeches were.


ho -- really -- who the hell else, spent the last 12 years of their lives, every day, all day,  travelling, speaking, and eventually kicking the shit out of slavery?  

Those "abolition speakers"  like Garrison, would not go where Lincoln went, not speak to people Lincoln spoke to.  They stayed in New York, or Maine, and they had crowds who already agreed with them.  Their task was to preach to the choir.

Yes, LIncoln parsed words -- and if he had not, slavery would have continued, and the US would have fallen apart.   

 When you understand that SOuthern leaders, at the same time, were declaring blacks as not even human beings, and calling Lincoln radical for saying they were human beings with natural rights, you won't be so stupid.

Lincoln's task was to not get shot by being too radical an abolitionist, and hopefully get elected.    Many of the people Lincoln spoke to never saw a black person -- did you know that?  And many more thought blacks were sub human.   Anyone remotely for blacks to have any rights at all, could be, and were, called Nigger Lover, Nigger Worshiper, and a "radical abolitionist".
Lincoln WISELY parsed words, so he could change minds, and eventually, get into a position to kick the shit out of slavery.  Speaking candidly would have got him shot a lot sooner,  a fact most people simply don't grasp today.

See the clip above.


You can take a few words here, a few words there, from the over 2 million words Lincoln spoke over 20 years, and over 2,000 speeches, and make it seem like Lincoln was anything you want to.


If you read all of Lincoln's speeches and letters, you would know Lincoln spoke about 100 times more about ending slavery than about Union, and spoke about Union as a way to end slavery.

Lincoln's letter to Joshua  Speed, for example, is stunning in it's power and details of what the South was doing -- killing to spread slavery. 

Killing to spread slavery? Yes, Killing to spread slavery.  Lincoln did not speak like that in public, he was polite, perhaps too polite. 

But in his personal letters to Speed HFC.  Learn the letter he wrote to Speed, (at bottom of this page)  and the history behind it, why Lincoln wrote those things to Speed.  Most "Lincoln scholars" even at Lincoln Presidential Library, apparently think Lincoln was wrong.   

 People have written entire books, trashing Lincoln, and always use Lincoln's letter to Greeley.  
Surely they know more than that dumb ass Frederick Douglass, right?

No, Douglass was not stupid.

One tiny example --- when Lincoln wrote that letter to Greeley, that every dumb ass knows by heart -- Lincoln was ALREADY famous, especially in the South, for saying the Union had to stay together, or the South would spread slavery.

Lincoln had already caused a firestorm in the South, by his Housed Divided Speech.  

The House Divided speech exposed the South's violent and deceptive intention to push slavery by any means -- and the only way to stop them, was to keep the Union together.


 At the time Lincoln wrote the letter to Greeley, most people in the North didn't give a rat's ass about slavery, or even, the spread of it by violence, as promised by Southern leaders.

Most of all, four border states were about to drop out of the Union, and join the Confederacy, a move that would have instantly ended the Civil War, and thereby allow the spread of slavery, as Southern War Ultimatums promised.

So Lincoln was a horrible person to emphasize Union at that time?  WTF?

He sure as hell emphasized ending slavery other times, and his actions were powerful -- ending slavery.  He did end it. But he writes a fucking letter to keep the borders states in, which is absolutely necessary. Idiots today don't even have a fucking CLUE why LIncoln would emphasize Union, or whatever else he did, and they are sure Lincoln doesn't give a shit about slavery, blah fucking blah.   Worse, there are smug "history" teachers who get this bullshit in their head, and teach it.

But they DO not teach, or even know, what Lincoln was up against.  They have no clue about Southern War Ultimatums, no clue -- I mean NO CLUE.  No clue about Southern leaders bragging out the ass slaves were not even human beings, but property. No clue -- seriously, no clue -- that Southern leaders used that "not human being" thing to justify the violence to spread slavery, and Lincoln is somehow the bad guy?

What the fuck is wrong here?

There is a damn good reason Frederick Douglass said Lincoln was radical, swift, zealous and determined -- because Douglass knew what the  hell he was talking about. 


 There was a war on, and the war would be lost, if Lincoln said "HELL YES,  Southern leaders were right, I am out to end slavery."   Too complicated?  Apparently, it is too complicated, even for many "Lincoln scholars"

But it was not too complicated for Frederick Douglass.  



You probably had no clue, that Southern leaders used Lincoln's House Divided Speech, to "prove" Lincoln was not going to let them spread slavery, and therefore he would kill the white race.   

That might seem preposterous to you now -- Lincoln was going to destroy the white race, by stopping the spread of slavery? WTF?

Read the official declaration by the governor of Florida. He says it pretty well. 


Guess who knew that?   Frederick Douglass (and of course, Greeley knew).    

Keeping the Union together would end slavery over time. Slavery was like a cancer, it had to spread, or it had to die itself. 

Southern leaders said the same thing -- but they used LIncoln's comments as justification to leave the Union and spread slavery outside the union, as their own "War Ultimatums" made clear.

Frederick Douglass knew that. You did not.


Also, at the time Lincoln wrote that letter, some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested, if he even said slavery should end, for the war to end. 

They did not say Lincoln by name, but they called for the arrest of anyone who said slavery should end, for the war to end.

Did you know that,  yes or no?  Saying slavery should end was some radical shit, until the last part of the Civil War.

And if LIncoln had spoken sooner, more candidly, the border states would have joined the Confederacy.

Did you know that?   Lincoln did, that's the big reason he had to speak carefully.

Guess who knew -- Frederick Douglass knew.


Douglass not only knew Lincoln, Douglass knew the scum what  Lincoln was up against -- North and South.

Douglass knew that most whites in the North would not walk across the street to piss on a slave, if he were on fire.

Douglass knew that Lincoln enemies hated, taunted, and eventually killed him for being "radical and extreme" for equality.

That may surprise you today, because Lincoln enemies today trash him for exactly the opposite reasons they trashed him then.  

At the time, LIncoln was called "Nigger lover"  " Negro Worshiper"  and "obsessed with equality for the Nigger".

Learn facts -- not bullshit slogans and out of context quotes.


Ironic that now, Lincoln's enemies accuse him of exactly the opposite.

From 1846, when Lincoln first stood up to President Polk for his attempt to double the size of slavery by provoking a war against Mexico, to steal Texas, Southerners hated Lincoln.

I bet no one ever told you -- in your entire life -- that LIncoln stood up to Polk, and called him out on provoking a war, whose real interest was spreading slavery?

Guess who knew that about Lincoln? Frederick Douglass knew.

Guess who didn't know -- you. Nor your  history teacher. And sure as hell, not those who trash Lincoln today, they didn't tell you, either. Funny how that works. 

Lincoln was eventually killed, hours after Boothe heard him speak about voting rights for blacks.   What's surprising is that Lincoln was not killed much, much sooner.  


Frederick Douglass once said that the only white man  he ever met, that seemed truly for total equality for the black, was John Brown.

John Brown gave speeches far more militant than Lincoln.

And John Brown's way of ending slavery lasted about 2 hours.  He was caught, he and his sons were hung.

Maybe you can tell the difference? John Brown lasts two hours, gets  nothing done, but give Southern leaders an excuse they used for 150 years.

Lincoln  is smarter, he parses words, but gets elected, then kicks slavery in the ass sideways.

 Which way do you think was more effective?

Go on, take all the time you need. 




Part of that was Lincoln's technique -- on purpose, Lincoln would SEEM to agree with a sentiment in one part of a speech, then demolish that same sentiment a few sentences, or even in the next sentence.


The term "abolitionist"  was just above child molester and below rapist,  to most people, at the time, where and when Lincoln spoke.

Even 30 years later, old timers  writing in 1880's and 1890's would comment how "abolitionist"  was once a vile term, and dangerous to be called that.


Many people going to hear Lincoln thought blacks were retarded, sub human,  even dangerous.  

Stephen A Douglas knew this very well, and repeatedly told crowds Lincoln was obsessed with equality for the "Nigger" and that Lincoln would have your wife and daughters "be with Niggers".

Douglas said the word "Nigger" and most newspapers cleaned that up.

   New York papers made fun of Lincoln for being a "Negro Worshiper"  and showed LIncoln with a "brain damaged Negro"  and accusing LIncoln of admiring the "Negro intellect"

Others accused LIncoln of being seen in a carriage with a white woman and a black man, something that could get you shot or hung in some areas.  

Bet you didn't know that.


In fact, the US Supreme Court had ruled blacks were not human beings, not persons, did you know that? 

Seriously, did you know that?

 Blacks were "so inferior" they were property, not persons.


This technique of Lincoln was such that people who hated him at the start, were on his side, at the end.  The press were eager to cover him -- he had crowds from in every city he visited -- sometimes miles of road was covered with folks waiting to hear him.

Did you know that?  DId you know when Lincoln went into Charleston, there were more people show up than were in the entire area? 

And they lined up along the road for MILES to see him.

LIncoln's humor, his "rope a dope" and his intelligence, came across.  He could not have done that if he had spoken in extreme terms, like an abolitionist preacher from New York would speak.

But no abolitionist speaker from New York would go where LIncoln did, and say what Lincoln said.

Get the picture yet?

Really, the fear of black men taking white women, was something guys like Stephen A Douglas harped on endlessly, in every Lincoln Douglas debate, and in almost every speech he ever made about slavery!!

Did you know that?

This was a very real sentiment at the time -- and Lincoln was trying to win an election.  Even so, Lincolns FULL speech were stunning and powerful for equality -- and the need to end slavery, and the need to stop the spread of slavery.

No one told you that, did they?

No one else did this -- did you know that?  Lincoln's technique was something he developed, and he used it to change history.    Yes, it allows stupid people now to misquote him, -- Lincoln would accept that.  There were people even then that said Lincoln was too agreeable at times.

But Lincoln won, he eventually became President, defeated Douglas, defeated the South, and ended slavery.   What the hell have you done lately?  Maybe Lincoln's way of kicking ass, worked?


Was Frederick Douglass stupid?  Did he just  need white guys to tell him what was going on, in 1845-1861?

Actually Douglass was not stupid at all - maybe you are, through no  fault of your own.


You are only as smart as your information is complete.

Do you know Lincoln's amazing history from 1846 on, such as standing up to President Polk, calling him out on stealing Texas in order to spread slavery?

Bet you had no clue.

Did you know Lincoln was hated in some circles, because he called out President Polk on the scam to provoke a war with Mexico, in order to steal Texas, and double the size for slavery?

You probably don't even know the Mexican War was about slavery, but it sure as hell was, and everyone knew it, at the time.


Did you know as Congressmen in 46, Lincoln tried to end slavery in DC?   No one told you that, did they?


Did  you know from 1846 on, two people where "obsessed" with slavery in the territories?   Jefferson Davis was one -- he wanted slavery pushed  into the territories, by force.

The other was Abraham LIncoln -- he tried to stop Jeff Davis from pushing slavery into the territories,

LIncoln got back into politics, 1853, because of the Kansas Act that lead directly to the Civil War.

Did you know that?


Frederick Douglass knew that.  

Bet you had  no clue.



Lincoln's enemies said he was "obsessed with equality for the Nigger".



Yes -- Douglas regularly used the term "nigger."

But more basic, Lincoln's political enemy kept beating him -- BECAUSE they were able to portray him as a "Nigger lover".

IN fact, New York papers called Lincoln a "Negro Worshiper". 

No one told you that, did they?

Most newspapers cleaned it up, but  Stephen Douglas was obstinate about the use of the  use of the word "Nigger".

Even in the US Senate, where  even SOuthern Senators used the word "Negro"  Douglas was well known to use "Nigger".  Why?

Stephen A Douglas was trying extremely hard to curry favor with Jefferson Davis and Southern vote, both to get their support of his railroad ideas, that would have made him fabulously wealthy, and to make him President in 1860.

If not for Lincoln, DOuglas would have been both President, and wealthy.  But the price Douglas was willing to give, Lincoln would not permit -- the spread of slavery into all of the West, and eventually, into all states, North and SOuth.

It sounds preposterous today to think slavery could ever go into the North.  No, it was not impossible at all, and when you learn what Dred Scott decision was about, you will understand that.


  But at times, Douglas was so extreme, like in Charleston, Illinois, reporters said he was spitting and foaming at the mouth, pulling his hair, going from side to side of the stage, yelling about lincoln's love for the "Nigger."


Guess who didn't know that?  You. 


Douglas also knew it was dangerous for Lincoln to speak, where he spoke, when he spoke.  Lincoln's friend, Lovejoy was killed by folks in Illinois, very near where one of the Lincoln - Douglas debates were.

Did you notice Douglas, in the video clip above, mentions Lincoln's friend was Lovejoy?  Hell no you didn't notice. 

But he mentioned Lovejoy -- and said Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with "Niggers" (Douglas said "Nigger")   so that people would believe LIncoln was dangerous, he was so radical.

People today just have no clue, how dangerous it was to be called an "abolitionist"  at the time Lincoln ran for Senate.  

When Douglas called LIncoln a "Nigger lover"  which he did, and obsessed with equality for the NIgger, which he did, and when he told people as a joke, he saw Lincoln that day in a carriage with Frederick Douglass and a white woman -- that was all dangerous and deliberate -- and it worked.

Douglas WON that Senate seat -- Lincoln was hoping to kick Douglas out of the Senate, where he was doing much harm to the folks in Kansas by his back door support of Atchison.

Today we think abolitionist is good thing -- at the time, abolitionist were considered a run below child molesters, in the minds of many, even those who were against slavery, thought "abolitionist"  were too extreme.

Bet you didn't know that.


Yes, Lincoln did parse words, but taken as a whole, his entire speech, were powerful and extreme. No one went where Lincoln did, when he did, and spoke who he did, with anything remotely like the fervor Lincoln did.




Four sentences out of context

Two sentences in a letter, also out of context.

When you examine all those "terrible" Lincoln quotes,   there are only about a half dozen, out of thousands upon thousands of speeches.

Furthermore --if you read those quotes IN CONTEXT,  and read the full speech, you wont be so stupid.  Lincoln had to parse words at times.



Lincoln gave over 2000 speeches, from 1854, nearly every day, all day, Lincoln spoke, and travelled to speak, against slavery.  Read those FULL speeches, you wont be so stupid.

Who spoke more?  More often? More tenaciously?


Those folks who claim Lincoln "did not care"  about slavery, maybe their dumb ass could  find anyone who spoke 2000 times, when and where LIncoln did, against slavery?

Where Lincoln went, other "abolitionist"  would not go,  did you know that?   Garrison never went to Alton.  Frederick Douglass never went to Charleston IL. 
 Lincoln even went to Kansas, when Kansas was still "hot as hell"  in killing sprees to spread slavery.

          The "big name" abolitionist  stayed in  Maine, Philadelphia, Rochester, and safely spoke to groups who already agreed with them, and paid to hear them.  They did not go into the general public in areas that Lincoln went.

NO one told you that, did they?  Ever. 


Yes, Lincoln did parse words

. But read his full speeches -- stunning in their power, their clarity and their damnation of slavery, the evils of it, and the evils of the bastards trying to spread it.

If you even read his full speeches, you can't possibly name anyone else who spoke more powerfully, more often, and more effectively, than Abraham Lincoln. Not even the great Frederick Douglass spoke as often -- nor changed more minds -- that Abraham Lincoln.

  Did Frederick Douglass not know about Lincoln's two sentences to Greeley?  Yes, Douglass knew, and spoke about it.   Read his speeches about Lincoln carefully, he spoke as carefully as Lincoln did.

Did Douglass not know the four sentences  from Lincoln Douglas debates? Yes, he knew. Douglass knew every line of all the debates, and you probably have no clue what the thrust of those debates were, much read them all.

Gee -- if Frederick Douglass wasn't a dumb ass, maybe he would know what YOU know.  Shit,you read it in BOOKS, entire paragraphs!

Who does Frederick Douglass think he's fooling!  




In Kansas and all of the Deep South, you could be arrested and publicly tortured for owning the wrong book.  Yes, owning the wrong book, was a crime.

And you could not possibly know which books were against the law.  A judge and jury would decide that, at your trial.   Anything which questioned slavery, or said that God did not ordain slavery, could get you punished.

Even in Illinois, especially Southern IL -- it was not wise for your safety, to speak to bluntly about equality. People were still being killed in IL, for such mistakes.

Lincoln's friend Lovejoy was killed by a mob -- burned to death in his newspaper office- - for putting out a newspaper about equality.

Did you know that? Hell no.

Guess who did know that?

Frederick Douglass knew.



 It was illegal in most of the country to even speak openly  against slavery -- in Kansas and the Deep South, for example, you could be arrested for speaking publicly, against slavery.

In Southern Illinois, while it was legal to speak against slavery,  it was still risky to speak too bluntly. Lincoln's full speeches are powerful, stunningly so.  


But you have to read the full speeches to grasp how radical Lincoln was.

First, just the number of speeches -- over 2000.   Second, where he spoke, when he spoke.  

Read all his speeches, and you wont say stupid things like "Lincoln was not against slavery"  God, it takes a dumb ass to say such a thing.  But people who know only a few quotes, and not the whole speech, are stupid.  


Lincoln  brought the thunder, and no  one -- NO ONE EVER -- left his speech  and thought he was okay with slavery, or was using it for political edge.     Most of the people he spoke to were FINE with slavery,  and considered abolitionist dangerous lunatics. You either get that or not.



I saw Lincoln with a nigger and a white woman, in a carriage

During the Lincoln Douglas debates, Stephen A Douglas spent  time, telling the crowds that Lincoln was not only a "Lover of the Negro"  and "obsessed with equality of the Nigger" -- Douglas went further, and made up stories that he had seen Lincoln and Frederick Douglas, together in a carriage, with a white woman.

For those people who tell me "Sure I read the debates" -- they never know that. In fact, I'd say very few people ever got through the LIncoln Douglas debates, because they are tedious and confusing, unless you know the details they are both speaking of, very very well.

And most people do not know the details they are talking about.

Douglas taunts Lincoln -- saying many people think Fred Douglass is  a very good man.  OVer and over and over, Stephen Douglas tried to tie LIncoln to the most dangerous man most whites could think of by name -- Frederick Douglass.

It was no accident Stephen Douglas kept bringing up LIncoln's "Love for the Nigger" --  and that LIncoln wanted your daughters to sleep with Niggers.  

And it worked -- Stephen Douglas won that elections. Try to grasp that. 

From Lincoln Douglas debates.  Douglas makes up stories about Lincoln's "Nigger" friends. 



Many people today cherry pick Lincoln quotes. His letter to Greeley, most of all.  Im not sure if they just repeat those who edited LIncoln's word, or if they did.

Why not also talk about what Lincoln DID.  His full speeches, etc are stunning, when you learn the fullness of them.

But what Lincoln DID was stunning too.

And even his "cherry picked quotes". Read them closely -- Lincoln knew how to parse words. He had already spoke for years, that the Union had to stay, for slavery to end.

Did you know that? Keeping the Union together was the ONLY way to stop the spread of slavery, and the ONLY way to end slavery over time?

Lincoln said so, over and over. The reason Lincoln was so eager to keep the Union together -- and he said so -- was so that slavery could not spread.  How do people miss that?

They don't listen to Lincoln's FULL SPEECHES.

SO when LIncoln wrote Greeley, Greely and eveyrone else knew Lincoln was parsing words. 


In fact, from 1854, on, Lincoln was on the road, making 2-3-4-5 speeches a day about ending slavery.

In the over 2000 speeches, he mentioned slavery and the need to end it,  maybe about 25 times as much as he mentioned Union.

Can you name anyone, white or black, who went where Lincoln did, when and why Lincoln did, doing what Lincoln did?

No, you can't.  Lincoln was radical, for his time and place, running for office, no one comes close.


Often overlooked today -- why did Lincoln run for office?

To get Stephen Douglas out of the US Senate, where he controlled, literally, all legislation and discussion of Kansas Territory, in Congress. 

Lincoln well knew of Stephen Douglas duplicity in helping Aitchison and Davis killing sprees in Kansas, and knew of S Douglas role in Kansas Nebraska Act.

You have no clue about either thing, do you?

Guess who did know?





If "historians" now want to play this game of cherry picking a few words here, and there, let's play that game. Lincoln is radical, extreme, and "obsessed" with equality for the "Nigger"  said Stephen A Douglas.

In fact, per Stephen A Douglas and Jefferson Davis,  Lincoln was a traitor - yes, he used the word traitor -- for even saying blacks where human beings that have inalienable rights.


I bet no one ever told you, not once, not ever, that Lincoln's enemies said he was a traitor, and urging violent "revolution"  for saying blacks were human beings, persons. and had inalienable rights.

Go on, find me a book, any history book used in US, that even mentions that.

For some reason, the quotes -- and mindset - of those who taunted Lincoln, all but urging violence against him then -- is not in any US text book that I know of.

Not one. 


New York Newspapers said Lincoln "worshiped Negroes" while Stephen A Douglass wrote that Lincoln was a traitor -- and to his face,   Judge Douglas said Lincoln wanted your daughters to sleep with -- not Negroes-- Davis used the N word.

I don't know what's more amazing -- that NOrthern papers would taunt Lincoln for being a Negro Worshiper, or that Stephen A Douglas would all but urge the crowd to attack Lincoln -- or that none of this is in our text books.

Nor do "historians" such as Foner, McPherson, Catton expose this. If anything, they ignore it, or gloss over it.   For his time and place -- running for office -- no one comes close to Lincoln for his stand and speeches on equality.

But you have to read the whole speech, not just a few words here and there.


Lincoln would SEEM to agree with a sentiment of the day, early in a speech or debate.  But in the next sentence, or later in the speech, Lincoln destroyed that same sentiment.  

For example, people will quote his Peoria speech as if Lincoln wanted to deport all freed blacks. Bullshit.

What they leave out - is context and the full speech.

They leave out that Southern leaders were speaking of killing -- yes killing -- the slaves if they had to free them, genocide.  No, they were not saying they would kill the slaves, they said they would have to  kill them, if they freed them, because 8 million freed slaves would bring whites and blacks together, competing for work and wealth.  They would not free the slaves -- because they would have to kill them.  They loved their slaves, was the bottom line.  They would not kill them, so they would not free them.

Orwellian, but it made sense to slave owners and people in the South, at the time.

But you had no clue about that. None.

This is the kind of thing Lincoln knew -- and you do not.

But then, later in the Peoria speech, Lincoln repudiated deportation -- voluntary or otherwise.   You can edit that speech all you want, and make LIncoln seem anyway you want.   

But no one who was there and heard him, was confused at all. Lincoln was for ending slavery -- and not by deporting, voluntary or otherwise, slaves.   The importan thing was -- put slavery on a course to exinction.  Start by not allowing the spread of it.

Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with and marry "Niggers".

Historians have cleaned it up- some newspapers cleaned it up, but some newspapers reported it frankly. 

This basic fact of history is not taught this way, but it was well known then.

The Lincoln Douglas debates were about this very point -- Stephen A Douglas accusing Lincoln of all manner of evils  for saying blacks should be persons under the law, and have all the rights of any person. 

No - that is no exaggeration, at all.

That's not  kinda what Stephen A Douglas said. That's not sorta what he said, out of context.

That is exactly what Stephen A Douglas said.

And Stephen A Douglas had a point, if you accept Dred Scott decision, as Douglas did.

 Where do the  "historians" like Foner, McPherson even mention that?

Do they mention Lincoln's long history of kicking slavery in the ass, as much as he could, as soon as he could, and as effectively as he could.

No -- they play "cherry pick"  the quotes. There are dozens, hundreds of Lincoln quotes where he is as powerful, effective and radical as can be.

Why not tell you those quotes?

Really, why not?


Douglass knew Lincoln ---- but even more, Douglass knew what Lincoln was up against.
There can be no neutrals in this war; 
only patriots and traitors.

Lincolns private letter to Speed about the killers in Kansas.

"I do oppose the extension of slavery, because my judgment and feelings so prompt me; and I am under no obligation to the contrary. If for this you and I must differ, differ we must. 

You say if you were President, you would send an army and hang the leaders of the Missouri outrages upon the Kansas elections; still, if Kansas fairly votes herself a slave state, she must be admitted, or the Union must be dissolved. But how if she votes herself a slave State unfairly -- that is, by the very means for which you say you would hang men? 

Must she still be admitted, or the Union be dissolved? That will be the phase of the question when it first becomes a practical one. In your assumption that there may be a fair decision of the slavery question in Kansas, I plainly see you and I would differ about the Nebraska-law. I look upon that enactment not as a law, but as violence from the beginning. It was conceived in violence, passed in violence, is maintained in violence, and is being executed in violence.

 I say (slavery) was conceived in violence, because the destruction of the Missouri Compromise, under the circumstances, was nothing less than violence. It was passed in violence, because it could not have passed at all but for the votes of many members in violence of the known will of their constituents. It is maintained in violence because the elections since, clearly demand it's repeal, and this demand is openly disregarded. You say men ought to be hung for the way they are executing that law; and I say the way it is being executed is quite as good as any of its antecedents. It is being executed in the precise way which was intended from the first; else why does no Nebraska man express astonishment or condemnation? Poor Reeder is the only public man who has been silly enough to believe that any thing like fairness was ever intended; and he has been bravely undeceived.
That Kansas will form a Slave Constitution, and, with it, will ask to be admitted into the Union, I take to be an already settled question; and so settled by the very means you so pointedly condemn. 

By every principle of law, ever held by any court, North or South, every negro taken to Kansas is free; yet, in utter disregard of this -- in the spirit of violence merely -- that beautiful Legislature gravely passes a law to hang men who shall venture to inform a negro of his legal rights.

 This is the substance, and real object of the law. If, like Haman, they should hang upon the gallows of their own building, I shall not be among the mourners for their fate.

In my humble sphere, I shall advocate the restoration of the Missouri Compromise, so long as Kansas remains a territory; and when, by all these foul means, it seeks to come into the Union as a Slave-state, I shall oppose it. 

I am very loth, in any case, to withhold my assent to the enjoyment of property acquired, or located, in good faith; but I do not admit that good faith, in taking a negro to Kansas, to be held in slavery, is a possibility with any man. Any man who has sense enough to be the controller of his own property, has too much sense to misunderstand the outrageous character of this whole Nebraska business. 

But I digress. In my opposition to the admission of Kansas I shall have some company; but we may be beaten. If we are, I shall not, on that account, attempt to dissolve the Union. 

On the contrary, if we succeed, there will be enough of us to take care of the Union. I think it probable, however, we shall be beaten. Standing as a unit among yourselves, you can, directly, and indirectly, bribe enough of our men to carry the day -- as you could on an open proposition to establish monarchy. Get hold of some man in the North, whose position and ability is such, that he can make the support of your measure -- whatever it may be -- a democratic party necessity, and the thing is done.

 Appropos [sic] of this, let me tell you an anecdote. Douglas introduced the Nebraska bill in January. In February afterwards, there was a call session of the Illinois Legislature.

 Of the one hundred members composing the two branches of that body, about seventy were democrats. These latter held a caucus, in which the Nebraska bill was talked of, if not formally discussed. It was thereby discovered that just three, and no more, were in favor of the measure.

 In a day of two Douglas's [sic] orders came on to have resolutions passed approving the bill; and they were passed by large majorities!!!

 The truth of this is vouched for by a bolting democratic member. The masses too, democratic as well as whig, were even, nearer unanimous  against it; but as soon as the party necessity of supporting it, became apparent, the way the democracy began to see the wisdom and justice of it, was perfectly astonishing."

End of Lincoln's letter to speed.

1860 was not 1864

No one believed for a second, in 1860, that Northerners would fight to end slavery.   If anything, the common belief was that Northern folks were cowards, compared to Southerners.   Southern leaders -- Jeff Davis -- promised the North would never fight to end slavery.  His "General of Law and Order" in Kansas made simliar taunts.

Davis even bragged that he would "wipe up every drop of blood with my handkerchief"  of any spilled in a war over slavery.   He needed a bigger hanky.

Few people today realize the hate and fear mongering done by the South, to spread slavery, at the time.  From US Grants memoirs: 

Southern leaders pumped up the hate, and assured the men, the North would not dare fight to even stop the SPREAD of slavery.  

That is what Lincoln faced.  Not the whitewashed bullshit about Southern gentleman you have been told.