Tuesday, January 10, 2012


EDITING ...sorry

   Frederick Douglass corrected stupid    people..... like me.....

  about  Abe Lincoln  


"Lincoln was swift, radical, zealous, and determined." 

 Frederick Douglass.   

Swift?  Radical?  Zealous?  Determined?

Lincoln's enemies at the time, accused him of the following, in public, loudly and proudly, and repeatedly. 












 You can take one  letter  to a newspapers-- written for a purpose during a war, to keep the border states from joining the Confederacy - -- and summarize correctly Lincoln's entire efforts from 1846 on, right?

Lincoln's main reason for emphasizing UNION was basic, and Greeley knew that well.  Four of the five border states were very close to joining the Confederacy. 

One wrong WORD out of Lincoln's mouth, and they probably would have.  Many in those states were trying to get their states to join Jefferson Davis. 

Lincoln -- before, during and after that period -- wrote hundreds of other letters, gave hundreds of other speeches, showing something quite different than the impression some hope to give, by the Greeley letter, and other quotes.


See this movie clip -- from it, you COULD take a few words here, and a few words from there, and make Lincoln say, "blacks are certainly not my equal".

But see the full speech, or go read it, and you won't be so easily misled.

In this video you won't hear Stephen Douglas actor spit the word "Nigger" out -- but he used that word, and emphatically so, according to newspapers at the time.  Douglas was a bombastic and extremely theatrical speaker.  He never said anything, he shouted it, with great "enthusiasm and certainty."

  Newspapers in Charleston IL said Douglas went from side to side of the stage, screaming about Lincoln's high regard "for the Nigger".

But see the video anyway, "Nigger" word cleaned up to "Negro" or not.

You may learn a  lot.  We did.

Douglas (Frederick) said "it mattered little what language he might employ... it mattered little to us, when we knew him well."  

For example, Douglass knew that repeatedly Stephen A Douglas accused Lincoln of being with a white woman, and  a black man, in public, in a carriage.  A charge that could still get you shot in 1856.

Did you know that? 

Anyone ever tell you that Stephen Douglas told crowds, in the debates, that Lincoln was seen with a white woman and Frederick Douglass in a carriage?   (no, Lincoln had not met F. Douglas yet)

No one ever told you.  And no one ever told you, that kind of activity could get you shot, or beaten.

And it sure as hell was going to make you lose an election.  In fact Stephen Douglas did beat Lincoln then, because he made enough people afraid that LIncoln too "obsessed with equality for the *igger".


So yes, Lincoln had to parse words -- but read Lincoln's FULL speeches, which are amazingly powerful, and radical, for that time, and place.

That's right, even when parsing words, Lincoln was radical and stunning, for that time and place, in front of those people.



Frederick Douglas -- big kidder, right?  

Douglass saw a woman whipped to death by his owner, who screamed scriptures to cover the cries of pain by the victim.  Douglass himself was tortured for trying to escape, escaped again, and was pursued for years.  He went to England to get away from bounty hunters. 

Douglass, even after he was famous, had be purchased, from his own biological father who had raped his mother, that guy was just a fool? 

Take a good look at Douglass's picture, and know his story.  Think he was kidding when he said Lincoln was radical?

Lincoln fooled him?  Really? 



Most of all, Douglass knew what Lincoln was up against -- namely, that most white folks saw blacks as some kind of subhuman inferior being.

In fact the US Supreme Court ruled that blacks were "so inferior"  they were not human beings, not persons, under the law, but property, a fact that few people today have an clue about (see below)

Lincoln was "radical"  according to Stephen A Douglas, just for saying blacks were persons with rights!

Douglass also knew that the real bastards who were trying to bring down Lincoln were in the NORTH, guys like Stephen Douglas, and the Congressmen that wanted Lincoln arrested if he even said slavery should end for the war to end.

You never heard any of that, did you? Douglass knew it, and much more, very well.

Douglass knew well, if Lincoln spoke too bluntly, not only would he lose the election (he did lose, in 1858)  but  he risked getting shot, much earlier than he did get show.

In Illinois, when Lincoln and Douglas debated, it was against the law in Illinois for a black person to even move there.  Did you know that?

 Frederick Douglass knew that.  It would be illegal for Frederick Douglas to move to Illinois before the Civil War.  Did you know that?  Hell no. No one told you. If a black came into the state, he was supposed to keep moving.  Blacks were "inferior beings"  in Illinois too, and Stephen Douglas berated Lincoln often for Lincoln's "obsession" for equality.

Lincoln called "Negro Worshiper"  by New York papers.

 Lincoln's enemies at that time trashed him for just the opposite reason, a fact Lincoln detractors today, seem blissfully unaware of.


LINCOLN?  Radical to end slavery?  That's hilarious!  Poor Frederick Douglass, such a sucker.   Man, Lincoln conned that fool.

Lincoln ZEALOUS?   

Are you kidding!!  Everyone knows Lincoln was "reluctant" to free the slaves, and promised the South he was not out to destroy slavery where it existed.

Didn't Douglass know anything?

 Even the "Lincoln" scholars admit old Abe wrote that entire letter to Greeley, that he was out to save the Union. 



Border states did not matter, no matter what Lincoln tried to say. 

Lincoln SWIFT?   Frederick Douglass may have been a genius, but he was sure a dumb ass about Lincoln, even though he was there.  Lincoln was so slow to do anything. 

Who cares about border states?  Lincoln did say he hoped God was on Union side, but he really needed Kentucky on the Union side, or all was lost.

What did Lincoln know?  

Border States?  So what?   It's not just one Lincoln  letter, even if that was written to keep the border states from joining the Confederacy.  Okay, so  the North loses the Civil War if those four states join Jeff Davis. So Lincoln was trying to keep those four states in the Union.  Big deal.

It's still terrible, awful, that Lincoln wrote a letter about Union!

Never mind that later, when he was able, Lincoln kicked slavery in the ass sideways, as soon as he could, and kicked slavery so completely, one historian said "He killed the Southern God of slavery, forever."


 Never mind that some Southern leaders were warning that they would have to kill all the slaves, if anyone tried to stop the spread of slavery (see below).

No one told you that, but every dumb ass seems to know about Lincoln's letter to Greeley. No, they don't know context, when, or what was going on, but they know it.

No, they don't know Southern leaders promised war-- then delivered it -- if Lincoln did not obey their ultimatums to spread slavery.

Oh you never heard of Southern ultimatums of 1861?   But you know about one letter Lincoln wrote for political purposes?

Maybe you are the dumb ass, not Douglass?

Because Douglass knew about the War Ultimatums, the genocide threats, and the fact most whites, even in the North in 1862, would not walk across the street to spit on a black person, much less fight a war to free them.

Never mind that Southern leaders promised war, and issued war ultimatums if anyone tried to stop them from spreading slavery to the Pacific (see below).

Never mind that Southern leaders said blacks were not even human beings,  and the Confederacy was based on "the great moral" scientific and religious truth that God gave the inferior black race to the South, to punish for biblical sins (Vice President of CSA, Alexander Stephens).

That's all fine -- no one even mentions that!

But Lincoln writes a letter to keep the border states in the UNION?

OMG what a horrible vile man.  How on earth can God forgive him?    A tyrant.  Such a tyrant!  



Never mind LIncoln's other 1000 letters, his 2000 speeches, his actions from 1846 on. Those do NOT matter!  Context does not matter.   

Never mind Lincoln's stunning letters to Joshua Speed, or his radical speeches.   It's that 1862 letter that is so horrible, even if he was trying (successfully) to keep border states from joining Confederacy.

Any fool knows that.

There are other quotes, from the Lincoln Douglas debates, right? Those show Lincoln was against equality, right?  Yes, he was against equality, and for slavery.  Right?

Those speeches and debates show that, right?

Lincoln was even against popular sovereignty!! Right?

Doesn't Douglass know Lincoln was against equality!  Agains popular sovereignty, for slavery?

Everyone knows that. We saw the quotes!

We have the proof in his own words, right?




In fact, that is exactly what many have done, patch together a few words here, a few there.  

 LIncoln gave over 2000 speeches, with stunning power,  "kicking slavery in the ass sideways -- he kicked slavery so hard, the God of slavery fell over and died"  .

Those "quotes" are often from the LIncoln Douglas debates -- where the full speech, given in context, shows Lincoln was amazingly powerful for equality.    Yet those clever "quotes" give the opposite impression.

In the video above, Lincoln did utter the words, blacks are NOT my equal, right? But was that his message? HELL NO. Quite the reverse, actually.

And Lincoln was effective -- this kind of rhetoric is why so many people started to change their minds.  

If Lincoln had gotten up and said "Hell yes, blacks are equal, and they should have the same rights as you, your daughter should be able to marry a black person. Please vote for me"   He would have probably been shot, a lot sooner than he was. 

Lincoln kept talking, in that clip you see it, he SAID she is not my equal, then blasted the living shit out of that sentiment, not ten seconds later.

No one -- no one -- was as effective as Lincoln.  Yes, some speakers were more direct, but they were not running for office, they were not in Illinois speaking to people who thought blacks should all go back to Africa. 

Guess-- go ahead, really, guess -- which part of that speech LIncoln detractors use?   The part where he said she is NOT my equal.

Lincoln was parsing words -- he was very good at it, and no one who was there was confused.  

But you can chop off a sentence or two, and make Lincoln sound horrible.  Lincoln wisely  disarmed the public with his humor -- he did not directly refute their deep prejudices.   Then he presented his points in a stunningly effective way.

Here is something you don't know, nor would those who trash LIncoln ever tell you, if they knew.

Stephen A Douglas regularly called Lincoln everything from a radical "Nigger lover"  to "Nigger Worshiper"   that wanted your daughters and wive's to "sleep with Niggers".

Yes, Douglas used that "N word"  even in the Senate, after his "deal with the devil"  as one historian called it, to help the South spread slavery in return for their support of Stephen Douglas's railroad plans.

The point is, Stephen Douglas called Lincoln a Nigger lover, and obsessed with equality for the "Nigger"  for a very good reason -- people did not want equality for "Niggers".  In Illinois it was illegal for a black person to move to Illinois.

Most people in Illinois had never even seen a slave -- did you know that, or not?

   Stephen A Douglas won that election, in 1858, because he painted Lincoln as a "radical abolitionist".

No one told you that.


Well, then please tell me, why from 1846 on, certainly after 1854 on, was LIncoln accused of being "obsessed with equality for the Nigger".

If you knew all of Lincoln's actions, and all of Lincoln's speeches, you would know, Lincoln's enemies at the time were right, he was obsessed with ending slavery, first by stopping the spread of it.

But you would have to know what the hell he did and said.



Going where he did, and when he did, was radical -- even dangerous.  Lincoln's friend, Lovejoy, was killed for speaking too candidly against slavery.  Did you know that, or not?

No one ever told you that, did they? Douglass knew.

Lincoln himself was killed, after he spoke too candidly, for voting rights for blacks.   Booth heard his speech about voting rights for "educated blacks"  and changed his plan from kidnapping, to killing.

No one ever told you that, did they? Douglass knew.

See, it matters what the hell you know. It would help if those trashing Lincoln would know his full speeches and full actions, but they don't, and they seem to like it that way. 

POLK SALAD  1846 - 1865

 Lincoln had a long history of 1846 on,  of taking radical (for the time) stands.  He stood to President Polk,  actually accusing Polk correctly, of pushing for a war against Mexico, to steal land that would be used to spread slavery.

No one told you that, did they.

When Lincoln could not shame Polk and others from a war to spread slavery, Lincoln pushed  for Wilmont Proviso 40 times,  that would have kept slavery out of the areas US just stole from Mexico.  Lincoln was on the "shit list"   of slave owners ever after.

No one told you that, did they?

Lincoln as Congressman,  tried to end slavery in DC.

No one told you that, did they.

Did those who trash Lincoln -- or act like he didn't care about slavery, ever tell you about  12 years that Lincoln did nothing but speak and travel around, get into office, as President, then kick slavery in the ass?

You mean they forgot to mention that?   But they told you about a letter to Greeley, out of context. 

That whole "kicking slavery in the ass sideways"   meant nothing, right?   

Even after Lincoln could have kept the Union together, but STILL kicked slavery until it was dead dead dead, that was just for show.

That letter to Greeley means the 2000 other letters, the 2000 other speeches, don't matter.   


That some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested if he even spoke the words "slavery must end, for the war to end" -- that means nothing?

Get the full set of facts, and those who trash Lincoln, out of stupidity or malice, won't be so stupid.  

Frederick Douglass was smart enough to know the full story. 
Douglass knew  context -- like the fact some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested for simply saying the Civil War should end slavery.  Douglass knew full speeches, and mostly, Douglass knew Lincoln's full actions.


It was still dangerous -- physically dangerous - in most of the USA,in all of the South, and in Kansas, to even speak openly against slavery.   Even in Illinois, it was political suicide to be seen as an "abolitionist".  LIncoln LOST the Senate race in IL, because too many people thought he was "A nigger lover"  that would "bring Niggers" into Illinois and give them "equal rights"  and let them "be with your women".

No one told you that, did they. Not in your entire life.

SEE CLIP  BELOW -- remember Douglas used the word "Nigger" in the debates, most newspapers cleaned that up.  Douglas even used the word "Nigger" in the Senate, to show his solidarity with Southern leaders, though they would use the word "Negro".  




Most Lincoln "scholars" could not for the life of them, tell you what the Southern War Ultimatums were, in 1861.

Yet it was headlines in Richmond and New York newspapers, and the Vice President of the Confederacy tried to visit Lincoln, to hand him those war ultimatums. Lincoln well knew the war ultimatums.

Frederick Douglass knew.


Most Lincoln "scholars"  can not tell you what Lincoln said in his House Divided Speech, where LIncoln said slavery would end, or the Union would end.  Southern leaders had it right, LIncoln's  house divided speech was Lincoln's assertion that keeping Union together, meant an end to slavery.

That's right, Southern leaders spotted Lincoln's meaning in House Divided, and said so.  Keeping the Union together meant an end to slavery.  

Frederick Douglass knew.


Most Lincoln "scholars" could not tell you who the Northern Congressmen were, that wanted President Lincoln arrested, if he even said the words "slavery must end"  as a goal of the Civil War.



Lincoln spoke over 2000 times from 1853 on, no one spoke more often, more places, and more effectively than Lincoln.

And Lincoln spoke to people, many of whom would not walk across the street to spit on a black person if they were on fire, much less fight a war to end slavery.

Lincoln's genius was getting a population, most of whom did not want blacks anywhere near them, to fight a war that stopped the spread of slavery, and in the process, ended slavery itself.

LIncoln spoke of slavery -- why it had to end.  His House Divided speech specifically was about Southern leaders were spreading slavery by design, a design that would force slavery into all the Union, into the rest of the USA, even into states that already were free states.

In other words, when Lincoln spoke of Union, he was speaking about ending slavery.  To him, and correctly so, keeping the Union together was the only way to stop the spread of slavery.

Over, and over, and over, Lincoln would  seem to agree with a sentiment of the day -- such as blacks are not equal.   

Then, over and over and over, Lincoln would kick the living shit out of that same sentiment.   

Lincoln was very clever about his words, read them closely.   He learned very well to say things in a way that did not offend -- he was running for office. 

Did he give the message that blacks are certainly not my equal.  Hell now -- SHE IS MY EQUAL AND THE EQUAL OF ME AND JUDGE DOUGLAS, AND SHE IS THE EQUAL OF ANY MAN.

Do you see why those lying bastards leave that out?  Lincoln did this over, and over.   Read his FULL speeches.

Yes, he parsed words.  But in that day, in that time, to those people, LIncoln was radical -- he was like nothing most of them ever saw before, he said things many of them never considered before.

But you have to read his FULL speeches, and learn his FULL actions.  So many stupid people have fallen the bullshit that Lincoln "did not really care"  about slavery.

But then what did he do?   He kicked the shit out of that sentiment by thundering - "but in her natural right to eat the food she made with her own hands SHE IS MY EQUAL AND THE EQUAL OF ANY MAN. 

That was damn radical at the time. 

No one - no one - -left a Lincoln speech or debate confused whatsoever that Lincoln loathed slavery and was dedicated first to stop the spread of it, then to kill it, like a cancer is cured, by stopping the spread of it .

People were still in danger where LIncoln was, for being seen as "abolitionist"  -- in fact people were still being killed, in Northern states, for being "too abolitionists"

If you don't know that, you don't know how amazing Lincoln's full speeches were.


ho -- really -- who the hell else, spent the last 12 years of their lives, every day, all day,  travelling, speaking, and eventually kicking the shit out of slavery?  

Those "abolition speakers"  like Garrison, would not go where Lincoln went, not speak to people Lincoln spoke to.  They stayed in New York, or Maine, and they had crowds who already agreed with them.  Their task was to preach to the choir.

Yes, LIncoln parsed words -- and if he had not, slavery would have continued, and the US would have fallen apart.   

 When you understand that SOuthern leaders, at the same time, were declaring blacks as not even human beings, and calling Lincoln radical for saying they were human beings with natural rights, you won't be so stupid.

Lincoln's task was to not get shot by being too radical an abolitionist, and hopefully get elected.    Many of the people Lincoln spoke to never saw a black person -- did you know that?  And many more thought blacks were sub human.   Anyone remotely for blacks to have any rights at all, could be, and were, called Nigger Lover, Nigger Worshiper, and a "radical abolitionist".
Lincoln WISELY parsed words, so he could change minds, and eventually, get into a position to kick the shit out of slavery.  Speaking candidly would have got him shot a lot sooner,  a fact most people simply don't grasp today.

See the clip above.


You can take a few words here, a few words there, from the over 2 million words Lincoln spoke over 20 years, and over 2,000 speeches, and make it seem like Lincoln was anything you want to.


If you read all of Lincoln's speeches and letters, you would know Lincoln spoke about 100 times more about ending slavery than about Union, and spoke about Union as a way to end slavery.

Lincoln's letter to Joshua  Speed, for example, is stunning in it's power and details of what the South was doing -- killing to spread slavery. 

Killing to spread slavery? Yes, Killing to spread slavery.  Lincoln did not speak like that in public, he was polite, perhaps too polite. 

But in his personal letters to Speed HFC.  Learn the letter he wrote to Speed, (at bottom of this page)  and the history behind it, why Lincoln wrote those things to Speed.  Most "Lincoln scholars" even at Lincoln Presidential Library, apparently think Lincoln was wrong.   

 People have written entire books, trashing Lincoln, and always use Lincoln's letter to Greeley.  
Surely they know more than that dumb ass Frederick Douglass, right?

No, Douglass was not stupid.

One tiny example --- when Lincoln wrote that letter to Greeley, that every dumb ass knows by heart -- Lincoln was ALREADY famous, especially in the South, for saying the Union had to stay together, or the South would spread slavery.

Lincoln had already caused a firestorm in the South, by his Housed Divided Speech.  

The House Divided speech exposed the South's violent and deceptive intention to push slavery by any means -- and the only way to stop them, was to keep the Union together.


 At the time Lincoln wrote the letter to Greeley, most people in the North didn't give a rat's ass about slavery, or even, the spread of it by violence, as promised by Southern leaders.

Most of all, four border states were about to drop out of the Union, and join the Confederacy, a move that would have instantly ended the Civil War, and thereby allow the spread of slavery, as Southern War Ultimatums promised.

So Lincoln was a horrible person to emphasize Union at that time?  He sure as hell emphasized ending slavery other times, and his actions were powerful -- ending slavery.  

There was a war on, and the war would be lost, if Lincoln said "HELL YES,  Southern leaders were right, I am out to end slavery."   Too complicated?  Apparently, it is too complicated, even for many "Lincoln scholars"

But it was not too complicated for Frederick Douglass.  


You probably had no clue, that Southern leaders used Lincoln's House Divided Speech, to "prove" Lincoln was not going to let them spread slavery, and therefore he would kill the white race.   

That might seem preposterous to you now -- Lincoln was going to destroy the white race, by stopping the spread of slavery? WTF?

Read the official declaration by the governor of Florida. He says it pretty well. 


Guess who knew that?   Frederick Douglass (and of course, Greeley knew).    

Keeping the Union together would end slavery over time. Slavery was like a cancer, it had to spread, or it had to die itself. 

Southern leaders said the same thing -- but they used LIncoln's comments as justification to leave the Union and spread slavery outside the union, as their own "War Ultimatums" made clear.

Frederick Douglass knew that. You did not.


Also, at the time Lincoln wrote that letter, some Northern Congressmen wanted Lincoln arrested, if he even said slavery should end, for the war to end. 

They did not say Lincoln by name, but they called for the arrest of anyone who said slavery should end, for the war to end.

Did you know that,  yes or no?  Saying slavery should end was some radical shit, until the last part of the Civil War.

And if LIncoln had spoken sooner, more candidly, the border states would have joined the Confederacy.

Did you know that?   Lincoln did, that's the big reason he had to speak carefully.

Guess who knew -- Frederick Douglass knew.


Douglass not only knew Lincoln, Douglass knew the scum what  Lincoln was up against -- North and South.

Douglass knew that most whites in the North would not walk across the street to piss on a slave, if he were on fire.

Douglass knew that Lincoln enemies hated, taunted, and eventually killed him for being "radical and extreme" for equality.

That may surprise you today, because Lincoln enemies today trash him for exactly the opposite reasons they trashed him then.  

At the time, LIncoln was called "Nigger lover"  " Negro Worshiper"  and "obsessed with equality for the Nigger".

Learn facts -- not bullshit slogans and out of context quotes.


Ironic that now, Lincoln's enemies accuse him of exactly the opposite.

From 1846, when Lincoln first stood up to President Polk for his attempt to double the size of slavery by provoking a war against Mexico, to steal Texas, Southerners hated Lincoln.

I bet no one ever told you -- in your entire life -- that LIncoln stood up to Polk, and called him out on provoking a war, whose real interest was spreading slavery?

Guess who knew that about Lincoln? Frederick Douglass knew.

Guess who didn't know -- you. Nor your  history teacher. And sure as hell, not those who trash Lincoln today, they didn't tell you, either. Funny how that works. 

Lincoln was eventually killed, hours after Boothe heard him speak about voting rights for blacks.   What's surprising is that Lincoln was not killed much, much sooner.  


Frederick Douglass once said that the only white man  he ever met, that seemed truly for total equality for the black, was John Brown.

John Brown gave speeches far more militant than Lincoln.

And John Brown's way of ending slavery lasted about 2 hours.  He was caught, he and his sons were hung.

Maybe you can tell the difference? John Brown lasts two hours, gets  nothing done, but give Southern leaders an excuse they used for 150 years.

Lincoln  is smarter, he parses words, but gets elected, then kicks slavery in the ass sideways.

 Which way do you think was more effective?

Go on, take all the time you need. 




Part of that was Lincoln's technique -- on purpose, Lincoln would SEEM to agree with a sentiment in one part of a speech, then demolish that same sentiment a few sentences, or even in the next sentence.


The term "abolitionist"  was just above child molester and below rapist,  to most people, at the time, where and when Lincoln spoke.

Even 30 years later, old timers  writing in 1880's and 1890's would comment how "abolitionist"  was once a vile term, and dangerous to be called that.


Many people going to hear Lincoln thought blacks were retarded, sub human,  even dangerous.  

Stephen A Douglas knew this very well, and repeatedly told crowds Lincoln was obsessed with equality for the "Nigger" and that Lincoln would have your wife and daughters "be with Niggers".

Douglas said the word "Nigger" and most newspapers cleaned that up.

   New York papers made fun of Lincoln for being a "Negro Worshiper"  and showed LIncoln with a "brain damaged Negro"  and accusing LIncoln of admiring the "Negro intellect"

Others accused LIncoln of being seen in a carriage with a white woman and a black man, something that could get you shot or hung in some areas.  

Bet you didn't know that.


In fact, the US Supreme Court had ruled blacks were not human beings, not persons, did you know that? 

Seriously, did you know that?

 Blacks were "so inferior" they were property, not persons.


This technique of Lincoln was such that people who hated him at the start, were on his side, at the end.  The press were eager to cover him -- he had crowds from in every city he visited -- sometimes miles of road was covered with folks waiting to hear him.

Did you know that?  DId you know when Lincoln went into Charleston, there were more people show up than were in the entire area? 

And they lined up along the road for MILES to see him.

LIncoln's humor, his "rope a dope" and his intelligence, came across.  He could not have done that if he had spoken in extreme terms, like an abolitionist preacher from New York would speak.

But no abolitionist speaker from New York would go where LIncoln did, and say what Lincoln said.

Get the picture yet?

Really, the fear of black men taking white women, was something guys like Stephen A Douglas harped on endlessly, in every Lincoln Douglas debate, and in almost every speech he ever made about slavery!!

Did you know that?

This was a very real sentiment at the time -- and Lincoln was trying to win an election.  Even so, Lincolns FULL speech were stunning and powerful for equality -- and the need to end slavery, and the need to stop the spread of slavery.

No one told you that, did they?

No one else did this -- did you know that?  Lincoln's technique was something he developed, and he used it to change history.    Yes, it allows stupid people now to misquote him, -- Lincoln would accept that.  There were people even then that said Lincoln was too agreeable at times.

But Lincoln won, he eventually became President, defeated Douglas, defeated the South, and ended slavery.   What the hell have you done lately?  Maybe Lincoln's way of kicking ass, worked?


Was Frederick Douglass stupid?  Did he just  need white guys to tell him what was going on, in 1845-1861?

Actually Douglass was not stupid at all - maybe you are, through no  fault of your own.


You are only as smart as your information is complete.

Do you know Lincoln's amazing history from 1846 on, such as standing up to President Polk, calling him out on stealing Texas in order to spread slavery?

Bet you had no clue.

Did you know Lincoln was hated in some circles, because he called out President Polk on the scam to provoke a war with Mexico, in order to steal Texas, and double the size for slavery?

You probably don't even know the Mexican War was about slavery, but it sure as hell was, and everyone knew it, at the time.


Did you know as Congressmen in 46, Lincoln tried to end slavery in DC?   No one told you that, did they?


Did  you know from 1846 on, two people where "obsessed" with slavery in the territories?   Jefferson Davis was one -- he wanted slavery pushed  into the territories, by force.

The other was Abraham LIncoln -- he tried to stop Jeff Davis from pushing slavery into the territories,

LIncoln got back into politics, 1853, because of the Kansas Act that lead directly to the Civil War.

Did you know that?


Frederick Douglass knew that.  

Bet you had  no clue.


Lincoln's enemies said he was "obsessed with equality for the Nigger".



Yes -- Douglas regularly used the term "nigger."

But more basic, Lincoln's political enemy kept beating him -- BECAUSE they were able to portray him as a "Nigger lover".

IN fact, New York papers called Lincoln a "Negro Worshiper". 

No one told you that, did they?

Most newspapers cleaned it up, but  Stephen Douglas was obstinate about the use of the  use of the word "Nigger".

Even in the US Senate, where  even SOuthern Senators used the word "Negro"  Douglas was well known to use "Nigger".  Why?

Stephen A Douglas was trying extremely hard to curry favor with Jefferson Davis and Southern vote, both to get their support of his railroad ideas, that would have made him fabulously wealthy, and to make him President in 1860.

If not for Lincoln, DOuglas would have been both President, and wealthy.  But the price Douglas was willing to give, Lincoln would not permit -- the spread of slavery into all of the West, and eventually, into all states, North and SOuth.

It sounds preposterous today to think slavery could ever go into the North.  No, it was not impossible at all, and when you learn what Dred Scott decision was about, you will understand that.


  But at times, Douglas was so extreme, like in Charleston, Illinois, reporters said he was spitting and foaming at the mouth, pulling his hair, going from side to side of the stage, yelling about lincoln's love for the "Nigger."


Guess who didn't know that?  You. 


Douglas also knew it was dangerous for Lincoln to speak, where he spoke, when he spoke.  Lincoln's friend, Lovejoy was killed by folks in Illinois, very near where one of the Lincoln - Douglas debates were.

Did you notice Douglas, in the video clip above, mentions Lincoln's friend was Lovejoy?  Hell no you didn't notice. 

But he mentioned Lovejoy -- and said Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with "Niggers" (Douglas said "Nigger")   so that people would believe LIncoln was dangerous, he was so radical.

People today just have no clue, how dangerous it was to be called an "abolitionist"  at the time Lincoln ran for Senate.  

When Douglas called LIncoln a "Nigger lover"  which he did, and obsessed with equality for the NIgger, which he did, and when he told people as a joke, he saw Lincoln that day in a carriage with Frederick Douglass and a white woman -- that was all dangerous and deliberate -- and it worked.

Douglas WON that Senate seat -- Lincoln was hoping to kick Douglas out of the Senate, where he was doing much harm to the folks in Kansas by his back door support of Atchison.

Today we think abolitionist is good thing -- at the time, abolitionist were considered a run below child molesters, in the minds of many, even those who were against slavery, thought "abolitionist"  were too extreme.

Bet you didn't know that.


Yes, Lincoln did parse words, but taken as a whole, his entire speech, were powerful and extreme. No one went where Lincoln did, when he did, and spoke who he did, with anything remotely like the fervor Lincoln did.




Four sentences out of context

Two sentences in a letter, also out of context.

When you examine all those "terrible" Lincoln quotes,   there are only about a half dozen, out of thousands upon thousands of speeches.

Furthermore --if you read those quotes IN CONTEXT,  and read the full speech, you wont be so stupid.  Lincoln had to parse words at times.



Lincoln gave over 2000 speeches, from 1854, nearly every day, all day, Lincoln spoke, and travelled to speak, against slavery.  Read those FULL speeches, you wont be so stupid.

Who spoke more?  More often? More tenaciously?


Those folks who claim Lincoln "did not care"  about slavery, maybe their dumb ass could  find anyone who spoke 2000 times, when and where LIncoln did, against slavery?

Where Lincoln went, other "abolitionist"  would not go,  did you know that?   Garrison never went to Alton.  Frederick Douglass never went to Charleston IL. 
 Lincoln even went to Kansas, when Kansas was still "hot as hell"  in killing sprees to spread slavery.

          The "big name" abolitionist  stayed in  Maine, Philadelphia, Rochester, and safely spoke to groups who already agreed with them, and paid to hear them.  They did not go into the general public in areas that Lincoln went.

NO one told you that, did they?  Ever. 


Yes, Lincoln did parse words

. But read his full speeches -- stunning in their power, their clarity and their damnation of slavery, the evils of it, and the evils of the bastards trying to spread it.

If you even read his full speeches, you can't possibly name anyone else who spoke more powerfully, more often, and more effectively, than Abraham Lincoln. Not even the great Frederick Douglass spoke as often -- nor changed more minds -- that Abraham Lincoln.

  Did Frederick Douglass not know about Lincoln's two sentences to Greeley?  Yes, Douglass knew, and spoke about it.   Read his speeches about Lincoln carefully, he spoke as carefully as Lincoln did.

Did Douglass not know the four sentences  from Lincoln Douglas debates? Yes, he knew. Douglass knew every line of all the debates, and you probably have no clue what the thrust of those debates were, much read them all.

Gee -- if Frederick Douglass wasn't a dumb ass, maybe he would know what YOU know.  Shit,you read it in BOOKS, entire paragraphs!

Who does Frederick Douglass think he's fooling!  



In Kansas and all of the Deep South, you could be arrested and publicly tortured for owning the wrong book.  Yes, owning the wrong book, was a crime.

And you could not possibly know which books were against the law.  A judge and jury would decide that, at your trial.   Anything which questioned slavery, or said that God did not ordain slavery, could get you punished.

Even in Illinois, especially Southern IL -- it was not wise for your safety, to speak to bluntly about equality. People were still being killed in IL, for such mistakes.

Lincoln's friend Lovejoy was killed by a mob -- burned to death in his newspaper office- - for putting out a newspaper about equality.

Did you know that? Hell no.

Guess who did know that?

Frederick Douglass knew.



 It was illegal in most of the country to even speak openly  against slavery -- in Kansas and the Deep South, for example, you could be arrested for speaking publicly, against slavery.

In Southern Illinois, while it was legal to speak against slavery,  it was still risky to speak too bluntly. Lincoln's full speeches are powerful, stunningly so.  


But you have to read the full speeches to grasp how radical Lincoln was.

First, just the number of speeches -- over 2000.   Second, where he spoke, when he spoke.  

Read all his speeches, and you wont say stupid things like "Lincoln was not against slavery"  God, it takes a dumb ass to say such a thing.  But people who know only a few quotes, and not the whole speech, are stupid.  


Lincoln  brought the thunder, and no  one -- NO ONE EVER -- left his speech  and thought he was okay with slavery, or was using it for political edge.     Most of the people he spoke to were FINE with slavery,  and considered abolitionist dangerous lunatics. You either get that or not.



I saw Lincoln with a nigger and a white woman, in a carriage

During the Lincoln Douglas debates, Stephen A Douglas spent  time, telling the crowds that Lincoln was not only a "Lover of the Negro"  and "obsessed with equality of the Nigger" -- Douglas went further, and made up stories that he had seen Lincoln and Frederick Douglas, together in a carriage, with a white woman.

For those people who tell me "Sure I read the debates" -- they never know that. In fact, I'd say very few people ever got through the LIncoln Douglas debates, because they are tedious and confusing, unless you know the details they are both speaking of, very very well.

And most people do not know the details they are talking about.

Douglas taunts Lincoln -- saying many people think Fred Douglass is  a very good man.  OVer and over and over, Stephen Douglas tried to tie LIncoln to the most dangerous man most whites could think of by name -- Frederick Douglass.

It was no accident Stephen Douglas kept bringing up LIncoln's "Love for the Nigger" --  and that LIncoln wanted your daughters to sleep with Niggers.  

And it worked -- Stephen Douglas won that elections. Try to grasp that. 
From Lincoln Douglas debates.  Douglas makes up stories about Lincoln's "Nigger" friends. 



Many people today cherry pick Lincoln quotes. His letter to Greeley, most of all.  Im not sure if they just repeat those who edited LIncoln's word, or if they did.

Why not also talk about what Lincoln DID.  His full speeches, etc are stunning, when you learn the fullness of them.

But what Lincoln DID was stunning too.

And even his "cherry picked quotes". Read them closely -- Lincoln knew how to parse words. He had already spoke for years, that the Union had to stay, for slavery to end.

Did you know that? Keeping the Union together was the ONLY way to stop the spread of slavery, and the ONLY way to end slavery over time?

Lincoln said so, over and over. The reason Lincoln was so eager to keep the Union together -- and he said so -- was so that slavery could not spread.  How do people miss that?

They don't listen to Lincoln's FULL SPEECHES.

SO when LIncoln wrote Greeley, Greely and eveyrone else knew Lincoln was parsing words. 


In fact, from 1854, on, Lincoln was on the road, making 2-3-4-5 speeches a day about ending slavery.

In the over 2000 speeches, he mentioned slavery and the need to end it,  maybe about 25 times as much as he mentioned Union.

Can you name anyone, white or black, who went where Lincoln did, when and why Lincoln did, doing what Lincoln did?

No, you can't.  Lincoln was radical, for his time and place, running for office, no one comes close.


Often overlooked today -- why did Lincoln run for office?

To get Stephen Douglas out of the US Senate, where he controlled, literally, all legislation and discussion of Kansas Territory, in Congress. 

Lincoln well knew of Stephen Douglas duplicity in helping Aitchison and Davis killing sprees in Kansas, and knew of S Douglas role in Kansas Nebraska Act.

You have no clue about either thing, do you?

Guess who did know?





If "historians" now want to play this game of cherry picking a few words here, and there, let's play that game. Lincoln is radical, extreme, and "obsessed" with equality for the "Nigger"  said Stephen A Douglas.

In fact, per Stephen A Douglas and Jefferson Davis,  Lincoln was a traitor - yes, he used the word traitor -- for even saying blacks where human beings that have inalienable rights.


I bet no one ever told you, not once, not ever, that Lincoln's enemies said he was a traitor, and urging violent "revolution"  for saying blacks were human beings, persons. and had inalienable rights.

Newspapers said Lincoln "worshiped Negroes" while Stephen A Douglass wrote that Lincoln was a traitor -- and to his face,   Judge Douglas said Lincoln wanted your daughters to sleep with -- not Negroes-- Davis used the N word.

Lincoln wants your daughters to sleep with and marry "Niggers".

Historians have cleaned it up- some newspapers cleaned it up, but some newspapers reported it frankly. 

This basic fact of history is not taught this way, but it was well known then.

The Lincoln Douglas debates were about this very point -- Stephen A Douglas accusing Lincoln of all manner of evils  for saying blacks should be persons under the law, and have all the rights of any person. 

No - that is no exaggeration, at all.

That's not  kinda what Stephen A Douglas said. That's not sorta what he said, out of context.

That is exactly what Stephen A Douglas said.

And Stephen A Douglas had a point, if you accept Dred Scott decision, as Douglas did.

 Where do the  "historians" like Foner, McPherson even mention that?

Do they mention Lincoln's long history of kicking slavery in the ass, as much as he could, as soon as he could, and as effectively as he could.

No -- they play "cherry pick"  the quotes. There are dozens, hundreds of Lincoln quotes where he is as powerful, effective and radical as can be.

Why not tell you those quotes?

Really, why not?


Douglass knew Lincoln ---- but even more, Douglass knew what Lincoln was up against.

. There can be no neutrals in this war; only patriots and traitors.

Lincolns private letter to Speed about the killers in Kansas.

I do oppose the extension of slavery, because my judgment and feelings so prompt me; and I am under no obligation to the contrary. If for this you and I must differ, differ we must. 

You say if you were President, you would send an army and hang the leaders of the Missouri outrages upon the Kansas elections; still, if Kansas fairly votes herself a slave state, she must be admitted, or the Union must be dissolved. But how if she votes herself a slave State unfairly -- that is, by the very means for which you say you would hang men? 

Must she still be admitted, or the Union be dissolved? That will be the phase of the question when it first becomes a practical one. In your assumption that there may be a fair decision of the slavery question in Kansas, I plainly see you and I would differ about the Nebraska-law. I look upon that enactment not as a law, but as violence from the beginning. It was conceived in violence, passed in violence, is maintained in violence, and is being executed in violence.

 I say (slavery) was conceived in violence, because the destruction of the Missouri Compromise, under the circumstances, was nothing less than violence. It was passed in violence, because it could not have passed at all but for the votes of many members in violence of the known will of their constituents. It is maintained in violence because the elections since, clearly demand it's repeal, and this demand is openly disregarded. You say men ought to be hung for the way they are executing that law; and I say the way it is being executed is quite as good as any of its antecedents. It is being executed in the precise way which was intended from the first; else why does no Nebraska man express astonishment or condemnation? Poor Reeder is the only public man who has been silly enough to believe that any thing like fairness was ever intended; and he has been bravely undeceived.
That Kansas will form a Slave Constitution, and, with it, will ask to be admitted into the Union, I take to be an already settled question; and so settled by the very means you so pointedly condemn. 

By every principle of law, ever held by any court, North or South, every negro taken to Kansas is free; yet, in utter disregard of this -- in the spirit of violence merely -- that beautiful Legislature gravely passes a law to hang men who shall venture to inform a negro of his legal rights.

 This is the substance, and real object of the law. If, like Haman, they should hang upon the gallows of their own building, I shall not be among the mourners for their fate.

In my humble sphere, I shall advocate the restoration of the Missouri Compromise, so long as Kansas remains a territory; and when, by all these foul means, it seeks to come into the Union as a Slave-state, I shall oppose it. 

I am very loth, in any case, to withhold my assent to the enjoyment of property acquired, or located, in good faith; but I do not admit that good faith, in taking a negro to Kansas, to be held in slavery, is a possibility with any man. Any man who has sense enough to be the controller of his own property, has too much sense to misunderstand the outrageous character of this whole Nebraska business. 

But I digress. In my opposition to the admission of Kansas I shall have some company; but we may be beaten. If we are, I shall not, on that account, attempt to dissolve the Union. 

On the contrary, if we succeed, there will be enough of us to take care of the Union. I think it probable, however, we shall be beaten. Standing as a unit among yourselves, you can, directly, and indirectly, bribe enough of our men to carry the day -- as you could on an open proposition to establish monarchy. Get hold of some man in the North, whose position and ability is such, that he can make the support of your measure -- whatever it may be -- a democratic party necessity, and the thing is done.

 Appropos [sic] of this, let me tell you an anecdote. Douglas introduced the Nebraska bill in January. In February afterwards, there was a call session of the Illinois Legislature.

 Of the one hundred members composing the two branches of that body, about seventy were democrats. These latter held a caucus, in which the Nebraska bill was talked of, if not formally discussed. It was thereby discovered that just three, and no more, were in favor of the measure.

 In a day of two Douglas's [sic] orders came on to have resolutions passed approving the bill; and they were passed by large majorities!!!

 The truth of this is vouched for by a bolting democratic member. The masses too, democratic as well as whig, were even, nearer unanimous  against it; but as soon as the party necessity of supporting it, became apparent, the way the democracy began to see the wisdom and justice of it, was perfectly astonishing.