Tuesday, January 10, 2012


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Maybe -- just maybe -- Frederick Douglass wasn't an idiot, even though  he surely is not as smart as white men 150 years later.


Douglass knew a few things, you don't.

Such as, Lincoln was hated at the time, by many for his "Love of Niggers".  He was called a "Nigger worshiper" in New York newspapers.

He was called a "Nigger lover" at every Lincoln Douglas debate. Bet you didn't know that. "Obsessed with equality for the Nigger" said Stephen A Douglas -- and yes, he used the word "Nigger". 

But  you knew that, didn't you! 

And Lincoln was killed hours after speaking for voting rights for blacks.  

But you knew that right?   You knew Lincoln was hated and eventually killed for speaking for equality for blacks.

Oh you didn't know? Surprise, surprise. 


Guess who knew that -- Frederick Douglass knew.  

 Did you know that?  Hell no, you didn't know that.

Lincolns friend was killed for speaking for equality for blacks.   His political opponents taunted Lincoln for the death of his friend Lovejoy, killed for being an abolitionist.  Stephen A Douglas called Lincoln "obsessed with equality for the nigger".




Lincoln was made fun of, hated, and eventually killed, because he spoke for equality for blacks.

In fact, no one -- remember that -- no one spoke for equality for blacks, as effectively as Lincoln.  Yes, he parsed his words at times, but his full words, his full speeches, his full actions   - not the selected, cherry picked bullshit - were like nothing whites heard  before.


Guess who knew that -- Frederick Douglass knew.  

But but but -- we have those QUOTES!!   We saw them in a book!!  No one would mislead us in a book, right?  No way, no how, no sir. 


Guess who knew that -- Frederick Douglass knew.  



Read the LIncoln Douglas debates -- the words you see in the video, are in the debates.  In context, correctly and honestly selected to reveal the meanings and words of both men.

Stephen A Douglas, again and again and again, accused Lincoln of being  "for the Nigger" -- he used the word Nigger, and so did his supporters in the audience, but those words were cleaned up in the newspaper. 

When you learn Lincoln's full speeches, his full actions, and not the distorted bullshit written 100 years later by white men who learned from text books, you will see, Frederick Douglass knew what the hell  he was talking about. 

In fact, so stupid are folks today who trash Lincoln, not only do they claim he wasn't really against slavery,  they claim such crap as "technically, Lincoln didn't even free any slaves"  because the Emancipation didn't apply to all slaves.

That's the kind of bullshit people will say, and others, dumber even than they, believe it. 

You only know what you are told.  So just because some self confident dumb ass spews some smoke up your ass,  better check with original documents, and learn the full story. 

Lincoln obsessed with equality for the "Nigger"?

Contrary to the meme, so often espoused by those who trash Lincoln, that he was not for equality -- Lincoln was actually quite radical FOR equality.

In fact, Lincoln should be hated for being "obsessed with equality for the nigger"  said his political enemy, Stephen A Douglas. Stephen Douglas all but offered a bounty for anyone to kill Lincoln then -- he repeatedly emphasized Lincoln wanted "your daughters" to sleep with "Niggers".

Did you know that? Hell no. No one told you that.  You'd have to read the Lincoln Douglas debates, and know the history of the time --Lincoln's friend was killed for being "radical"  for abolition, and Lincoln's enemies worked very very hard, to make Lincoln hated, as his friend was, the friend that will killed, by being burned to death.

See why knowing things matter?

Guess who did know that, and many other basic facts?

Frederick Douglass knew.

 And yes, Stephen Douglas regularly used the word Nigger.

See this video clip -- taken from 1939 movie -- the Lincoln quotes are almost verbatim, and very much in context, from the Lincoln Douglas debates.... you can read the debates if you want, go ahead!   Clearly stupid people never read Lincoln's full speeches, and couldn't find the LIncoln Douglas debates if it was stuck to their TV.

Such dumb asses -- as Douglass pointed out, Lincoln did the Emancipation proclamation that freed all slaves under Lincoln's lawful control.

And as Douglass knew, THEN Lincoln personally caused the passage of the 13th Amendment.

Seriously -- some people are so stupid, they think "only" freeing the slaves in his control, was a bad thing.  And they are too stupid to realize then, Lincoln freed ALL slaves, by the 13th Amendment. He did both.  BOTH.

Got that? BOTH.


Lincoln was killed after Booth heard him speak for voting rights for blacks.   Did you know that?

Did anyone who trashed Lincoln even mention that? Hell no.  Did they tell you Lincoln spoke more passionately, more often, more effectively, for equality than anyone else?

Oh yes, there were some speakers back in Boston, or Maine, jabbering lovely things about ending slavery.  Ever notice they weren't out in Kansas, or Missouri, or Illinois, saying these things, and being hated for it?

No you didn't notice that, cause whoever told you this shit, "forgot" to mention it. Guess who know all this?

Frederick Douglass.



Yes, Lincoln had to be careful HOW he said it -- he was running for office, trying to get votes from people who would not piss on a black person if they were on fire, to put out the flames.

And yes, when he was president, Lincoln spoke about "saving the Union" -- because if he said otherwise, whites would not join the US Army, nor fight.   Most whites would  not piss on  slave if that slave were on fire.

But long before Lincoln ever mentioned Union, he kicked slavery sideways. And he continued to kick slavery sideways until it was dead and discredited.  No one else did that.  

Lincoln COULD have said "Hell yes I want to end slavery with this war, no fucking kidding".   But if he had, the South would have won the Civil War, and slavery would have spread.

Too complicated? Need time?   Maybe go check with whoever you get your thoughts from? 

But Lincoln had already, dozens, of times, spoke about slavery being an evil -- exposed, fought, and opposed the lying bastards who were trying to spread slavery.

Do you know anyone else that did what Lincoln did?  Hell no - because Lincoln was doing what no other white man -- with exception of John Brown -- did.

Did you know that? Hell no, you don't know. No one told you. 

Try to grasp that.   And Lincoln lost the Senate election, BECAUSE people thought he was too much of a "Nigger lover".

Also, no one spoke more powerfully, and if you read the full speeches, you will see that.

If you know anyone who spoke more often, more powerfully, for equality than Lincoln, in those circumstances, please tell me their names.   Frederick Douglass didn't know of them. I don't either -- cause no one like that existed.

Lincoln WAS radical for equality, and less than a day after he spoke for equal voting rights for blacks, Lincoln had a bullet in his for that speech.

Too complicated? Need more time?

Maybe Douglass knew something that you don't. 



Yes, Lincoln did parse words -- no kidding.

Yet Lincoln was a radical -- so radical, his friend was killed, and he was eventually killed, for being so "radical" for equality.

Maybe Lincoln knew he had to be careful  HOW he said it.  I guess he could have gotten killed earlier, if that would make you happy.   But Lincoln got killed AFTER he won the Civil War, and AFTER he got 13th Amendment passed in Congress.

Passing 13th Amendment in States.

In fact, Lincoln's death created such an outpouring, that the 13th Amendment then passed in the states. Yes, it had to go to the states to be ratified.   Most people don't have a clue, that AFTER Lincoln got 13 Amendment passed in the Senate, it had to then go to the states. 

And, no, it was not a sure thing it would pass.    The war was over, the Southern states were back, and no longer fighting to spread slavery.  

But slavery itself was still in limbo -- until the 13th passed the states.  No one mentions this now, but it's possible that 13th Amendment does not pass the states, without Lincoln's death.

Go look at the newspapers of the time - it could have failed.  There is no way to know for sure, but if Lincoln had not died, it might not have passed. 

So Lincoln was effective -- he got shit done. He ended slavery.  He beat the South. He stopped the spread of slavery, and stopped slavery.

Southern scum still cry about it.  


Lincoln did parse words -- but read his FULL speeches, he kicked slavery sideways, out the ass, and down the street.  He kicked slavery till it was dead.   Without Lincoln parsing words -- though in full he was quit the ass kicker -- Lincoln doesn't get support of most Northerners. 

Lincoln  had to, he was speaking to people who would not piss on a black person if they were on fire. And when he went "full monty" -- when he spoke for voting rights for blacks, hours later, he was dead because of it.

So you think he should have spoke like that sooner, and died sooner? Dumb ass. Learn what the hell was going on then -- learn why Lincoln was, in fact, recklessly radical for equality, even though he did parse words at time.

You hear these idiots quote Lincoln about the Union -- as if they found fingerprints on a murder weapon. 

Here is a clue  -- long BEFORE Lincoln ever mentioned Union, he was kicking slavery in the ass sideways.   No, not in the East to crowds that were against slavery, but to people in the "West"  where folks could remember those killed for speaking of equality.

By the time Lincoln spoke about "Union" preservation, he was not only President, but keeping the Union together was the only way to stop the spread of slavery.

Try to grasp that.   If Lincoln had stupidly emphasized abolition of slavery -- instead of parsing words  -- the border states would have joined the SOUTH, and slavery would have not only continuted, but spread into Kansas and West, as the Southern leaders demanded in the War Ultimatums.

Oh you didn't know about the South's War Ultimatums?

Guess who did know?  Douglass knew -- and LIncoln. And almost everyone alive, in 1861, because the South bragged about their ultimatums and had demanded the spread of slavery for at least 10 years -- violently demanded the spread of slavery.

Yet even then, even when Lincoln "parsed words" he kicked ass.

Read  his FULL speeches. After Lincoln parsed words, he kicked the living shit out of slavery in the next sentence or paragraph.

Gee -- I wonder why Lincoln detractors don't tell you that?  Either they don't know, or they are lying.  


Lincoln got back into politics, BECAUSE of the violent spread of slavery into the West.  Since most people who, for some strange reason, consider themselves very knowledgable about Lincoln, don't even know that his first and overriding mission was to stop the SPREAD of slavery, and he said so.

If you don't know (and you probably don't) the killing sprees in Kansas, paid for by Jefferson Davis, starting six years before the Civil War, here, learn something your text books didn't tell you, but should have.   Then you wouldn't be so stupid about Lincoln.

IF you don't know who Atchison is, or what he did -- you don't know shit about Lincoln, or the Civil War.

To understand Lincoln, you have to understand what violent fucks were doing in Kansas to spread slavery.   That's what got Lincoln back into politics.   Lincoln's first goal (because that's the only thing that seemed remotely possible) was to stop the spread of slavery.

Slavery was a cancer, Lincoln said. Stop the spread, and you kill the cancer.   Guess who said he was right?  Jeff Davis and the Southern leadership said if the North stopped the spread of slavery, the whites would be exterminated.

YOu didn't know that, did you?

Hell no, you didn't.

PUT THIS IN YOUR PIPE -- find anyone in the US, white or black, speaking to these kinds of crowds, running for office no less, who spoke more radically and powerfully than Lincoln.

Go on -- find them.  Go find anyone doing that, as loudly, a powerfully for equality, when and where LIncoln did. Go on -- seriously.  Find anyone.

Eric Foner claimed Lincoln was "nothing special" about race. What a fucking idiot -- then he should have no trouble showing a dozen other folks running for office, who said anything like Lincoln.

Foner also said Dred Scott decision was "a narrow ruling". Actually Dred Scott specifically found blacks were "so inferior" they were not human beings, but "inferior beings"  and then ordered (yes ordered) blacks to be treated as property, not humans.

Go on, read the Dred Scott decision yourself.  And learn how Jefferson Davis bragged that Dred Scott gave the South, essentially, the "right" to spread slavery, contrary to Kansas citizens overwhelming votes to keep slavery out.

Narrow decision, Foner?  Someone that stupid should not be allowed to speak about Lincoln or the Civil War.



You only know what you are told.

If you just went by what Lincoln did and said, however,  you would know

Some blame Lincoln for "speaking for the Union". Yes, he did, and rightly so. But he also -- and for years --spoken and acted for equality

And he was hated for it.  His enemies taunted Lincoln for being a "Nigger Lover" and even "Nigger Worshiper". 

You didn't know that, did you? Douglass knew that.

Remember -- that LONG BEFORE he spoke a word about union -- Lincoln was already kicking ass sideways. 

Every dumb ass today blames Lincoln for speaking about the Union, as if they just discovered a lost planet.

Hello dumb ass, YES, he spoke about Union.  And he had to -- most people in the North would not piss on a black person to put out a fire.

But even before that, before he ever spoke about Union, Lincoln spoke like no one else - about equality.  



Yes, Lincoln spoke about Union --  no kidding. 

But before that, before Lincoln said one God damn word about Union, he said many things about ending slavery - especially stopping slavery from spreading.

And Lincoln was hated for it.

BEFORE -- BEFORE   -- Lincoln spoke about Union, Lincoln's enemies attacked him for his obsession with equality for blacks.

Oh you didn't know that? Guess who knew that? Frederick  Douglass.

NOTHING shows the power of lies, liars, and selective editing, quite like those who trash Lincoln.

According to Frederick Douglas, no one spoke as powerfully, and did as much against slavery and for equality under the law, as Lincoln. And Douglass worked with, and for, the biggest abolitionist speaker of the time.

But Lincoln spoke to people who would not piss on a black person if they were on fire.  Garrison and others (who were paid to speak) spoke to people in Maine and to crowds who already were against slavery.

Too complicated?   No one told you that, did they?  No one got in front of the crowds Lincoln did, and spoke so powerfully, as LIncoln did.  

Guess who knew that?  You sure didn't. Nor did your teacher tell you.

But Douglass knew.

"We take Lincoln's FULL MEASURE"  said Douglass. Most people today learn about Lincoln from bullshit text books, or worse, books that trash Lincoln.

Frederick Douglass learned about Lincoln from being a slave, and working with Lincoln personally.  Too complicated?  Need time?

You can disagree with Douglass all you want -- but learn what the hell he knew and said -- and why he said it.  Then you won't be so stupid.

Douglass didn't need white men 100 years later making up bullshit. Douglass was there.

Take a look at what Douglass knew -but you don't even suspect.

Still, you can -- if you want -- take selected quotes from Lincoln, and make him seem like a racist.  It's apparently fun to do, so many have done so.

But where did they get their (mis) information?   Read the FULL quotes, the FULL speeches.  You aren't an expert just cause you read a letter, or some other bullshit.

 Lincoln kicked slavery sideways, knocked its ass out of the park, then jumped up and down on slavery till slavery was dead, not just dead, not just gone, but the God of Southern slavery was exposed as total bullshit.

You may think Lincoln gets too much credit. Bullshit. Lincoln doesn't get nearly enough credit -- but you'd have to know what Lincoln was up against.

Guess what Douglass knew?  Douglass knew what LIncoln was up against.  Douglass knew the scum sucking slavers -- but Douglass also knew the devious lying bastards in the North, who tried to, and eventually did, kill Lincoln for being for equality.

Yes, you can take a few words, or even a few sentences -- but read the ENTIRE speeches, and know what he was up against.  No one -- NO ONE -- according to Frederick Douglass  -- was as effective as Lincoln, as powerful, as radical, as swift.

That's what Douglass said -- maybe he knew something?


Douglass knew Lincoln was called a "nigger lover"  who wanted white women to "sleep with niggers."

Oh you didn't know that? Surprise surprise.

And yes, Lincoln's enemies used the word NIGGER.  Stephen A Douglas was famous for it -- history books and newspapers cleaned up his use of he N word. But he said Nigger. 




 Douglass knew that.  In fact, before each Lincoln debate Stephen Douglas' men apparently went around the crowd, telling folks LIncoln was seen with Frederick Douglass (already famous) in a carriage, with a white woman.

Frederick Douglass had not even met Lincoln of course, till later.  But much of Stephen A Douglas speeches, during the debates, were telling folks Lincoln was "obsessed" with equality for the "nigger". 

Lincoln was hated before the Civil War for being, as Stephen A Douglas called him repeatedly, a "Nigger lover" . This clip (click on it) shows Lincoln "setting up" a prejudice before he kicks the living shit out of it.

Douglass knew  New York papers showed Lincoln as a "Negro worshiper, who saw the slave equal to whites".    Oh you didn't know that? Surprise surprise.  Not in your textbook? You don't say. 

Guess what? Douglass knew that. 


Douglass knew that some Northern Congressmen wanted him arrested, if he even said slavery must end. Southern Congressmen wanted him dead for pushing equality (yes equality-- see below).

Northern Congressmen just wanted him arrested.

Did you know that?  No? Surprise suprise. 

Not in your text book?  No kidding? 

Remember this -- there were Northern Congressmen calling for him to be arrested for SPEAKING about ending slavery before the Civil War could end.

Douglass knew that.  You never even heard of such a thing, till now. 

Yes, Lincoln did speak, at times, in terms of Union. No f-ing kidding.  

But Lincoln ALSO spoke -- thunder and fire spoke -- for equality. Like no one else.  Not to folks who already agreed with him, not to folks in Maine or Boston or to anti-slavery groups.  Lincoln had to speak to folks, many of whom considered blacks as "dogs who could talk" -- inferior beings, not human beings.

Did you know that? Hell no you didn't.  Guess who knew that?

Frederick Douglass knew that.

Douglas knew no one -- no one -- spoke as powerfully and as effectively as Lincoln about equality, even to crowds who hurled "Nigger lover" at him.


The above clip is just "from a movie"  but the dialog is taken directly, and in context, for what both men said.  Those are the words, and the context.

Get Lincoln's full quotes -- what he did, when, and why. Go read his full speeches, and the full debates. You wont be easily fooled.


You could take a quote from that speech, and by leaving out the full speech,  you can make Lincoln look like a jerk.

Which is pretty much what Lincoln haters today do.

But you can't make Lincoln look like a jerk if you don't lie, and don't cherry pick, and don't ignore what he did.

Lincoln haters, at the time, said he was a "Nigger worshiper" who "wanted your daughters to sleep with "niggers".  

Did you know who said this (including the word "nigger") to the public in 1858, all but urging the citizens to attack Lincoln?   Stephen A Douglas. And yes, he said the word "nigger" routinely, as you will see. 

Oh you mean Lincoln haters 'forgot' to tell you that? Surprise.

I doubt your history teacher has any fucking idea what Stephen Douglas was about -- he was helping, as he spoke, a guy named David Rice Atchison kill folks in Kansas who were against slavery.  But that's another story.

Guess who knew what Stephen Douglas was up to? Lincoln.  Guess who also knew?  Frederick Douglass. Guess who never had a clue about that? You. And your history teacher. 

Did you know Lincoln was killed not long after he SPOKE about voting rights for blacks?  Oh, you mean Lincoln haters forgot to mention that too?


Lincoln DID speak about equality for the Negro - over and over and over, long before the Civil War.  

Did you know -- yes or know -- that Lincoln spoke repeatedly and powerfully (and was hated for it) for equality under the law for blacks, BEFORE the Civil War?

Did you know he lost the election in 1858 BECAUSE he spoke so powerfully for equality?

Hell no you don't know that.

LINCOLN WAS HATED -- and would be killed in 1865  because he spoke for equality for the Negro.  Did you know that?   Booth changed his plan from kidnapping to killing, when he heard Lincoln speak for voting rights for blacks, in LIncon's last speeech.

Did you know that?   

Lincoln was HATED for being a "Nigger lover"  North and South, he was accused repeatedly of being a radical abolitionist BEFORE the Civil War.

And he spoke very very powerfully -- in a brilliant way -- that changed the nation.

No one -- remember that -- no one, did what Lincoln did BEFORE the Civil War for equality.

Yes, there were people speaking for equality before -- but LIncoln was running for office, in the "West"  to people who still hated blacks, and many thought they were more like animal that could talk.  Many still believed blacks were ordained by God to be enslaved.


 Lincoln went in front of crowds that no one had dared speak to like this before.   

And he SEEMED in a sentence or part of the speech to agree with a prejudice.   But then he would blast the living crap out of the prejudice, in the next sentence, or late in the same speech.

He used a technique that should be called "Lincoln's rope a dope".

You can see that in the video clip above: those are HIS words, and that is typical Lincoln.  You can quote Lincoln -- and people do -- from the part he seems to agree.  You can list five, ten or twenty of those quotes, and get stupid people almost furious -- how can Lincoln SAY those things?


Lincoln didn't give a shit if 100 years later, or 10 yeas later, stupid people and lying bastards took him out of context, he had a job to do.   His job, as he saw it, was to first stop the spread of slavery.

Yes, he parsed words. Yes, in some sentences he seemed to agree with prejudices of the day -- but they HE BLASTED THE FUCK out of those prejudices

For example, in his Peoria speech, often quoted by lying bastards to make it appear Lincoln was for forced colonization of blacks back to Africa, Lincoln did have a sentence that SEEMED to say he was in favor of voluntary colonization.

But what they do not tell you, is that slave owners were saying they would exterminate the slaves if they had to free them -- kill them all!  A big excuse for not ending slavery was that they'd have to kill the slaves.  Did you know that or not?

Plus --read the full speech, -- Lincoln did that same thing he did so often, he set up colonization in one part of the speech, then knocked it down in another.

Remember, he did that over and over.  Just like he SEEMED to agree in the clip above that blacks are not equal.   Then he blasted the FUCK out of the prejudice.

Did you know that? HELL NO.

Did your "history teacher" tell you that?

Hell no.   Lincoln wisely used this technique, because he had to.

No kidding -- you only know what you are told.  Bout time someone told you what Frederick Douglass didn't have to read books to find out.  Especially books 100 years later, that distorted things.

Ever hear that Lincoln didn't really care about slavery or equality?  Bet you were told that.

 Ever hear that Lincoln just wanted to "save the union" and was a racist and used slavery as an issue to drum up popular support for the Civil War?

Well, why the hell would Frederick Douglass, who was there, and knew Lincoln well, say Lincoln was "radical, swift, zealous, and determined"?

Was he stupid?   Did Frederick Douglass just need to read books 100 years later by people misquoting LIncoln, or not explaining the context?

Because you can bet your ass, Frederick Douglass knew what the hell he was talking about.   If these lying and stupid bastards want to trash Lincoln -- and they do -- they should try to get through Frederick Douglass.

Good luck with that.

And he changed people's minds.   He didn't give a shit if some history teacher or other dumb ass 100 years later would take a few words here and there, and ignore his full speeches, and his actions.  Lincoln was getting shit done -- and guess who knew that?

Frederick Douglass knew that.

You didn't know that. Your history teacher probably does not, because this is not in text books. 

  What Lincoln detractors do, is to pick out the quotes, out of context.    Yes, Lincoln did SPEAK about Union -- no kidding. Wisely so.  And wisely so.  But before, during and after that, he spoke powerfully, often, and with thunderous effect, for equality.  Try to grasp that.

Do you know who DID know that?   Frederick Douglass.  And he knew a million other things, large and small, that you have no clue about.

Did you know that most  people  -- including most Union Generals -- would not fight to end slavery, and US Grant said so. in 1861?

Did you know that many in the North saw blacks as inferior beings -- some thought they were ordained by God to be punished, others had never seen a black person.  Most were not affected one way or another by slavery, and would not risk their lunch, much less their life, to end slavery.

Did you know that?   Hell no.  Guess who did know that?

Frederick Douglas.

Grant would  change his mind, as time went on, in fact, Lincoln's careful and wise use of language was how he actually fought back and led the Civil War.

Make no mistake, Lincoln spoke powerfully, and often, for equality.   See the video below of a 1939 movie clip, based on Lincoln's words, and meaning, from the Lincoln Douglas debate.

Lincoln was accused of being a "radical abolitionist" and "nigger lover" by his political enemies long before the Civil War.

Did you know that? Hell no. Guess who did know?  Frederick Douglas knew. 

But Lincoln had  to keep in mind what people were like, he was not going to be a dumb ass and alienate the effort of people who would fight to save the Union. He DID speak often and powerfully for equality -- before the Civil War.  Try to grasp that.

Too complicated? Need time?



Guess who did know  Lincoln was called a "Nigger Worshiper"  and that Northern Congressmen wanted him arrested if he even spoke about ending slavery as a goal of the Civil War? (and much more)?   

Douglass knew.  Hell many people knew -- it was in the damn newspapers, from Chicago to New York.  Oh you didn't know that?

Guess who did know?  Douglass.

Guess who did NOT know that?  You didn't know.  Either does your teacher.  And if Lincoln haters know, they sure as hell never mention it.


Did you know long before Douglass  met Lincoln, Lincoln's enemies claimed Douglass and Lincoln rode together in the same carriage as a white woman -- a charge concocted to get Lincoln killed, much earlier than he was.

Guess who did know that?   Douglass knew.

Long before Lincoln met Douglass, Lincoln's enemies all but urged his death, because he was "radical about equality for the nigger".

Guess who did know that?  Douglass knew.

Here is a clue -- you only know what some guy told you 100 years later. Douglass was there, and a genius. Think he was easily fooled?

Douglass had been whipped repeatedly, and saw a woman tortured to death while her owner screamed bible verses to cover her cries.

Think Douglass didn't know what the fuck was going on?

Mostly -- do you think Douglass learned about slavery and LIncoln from a book some dumb ass wrote 100 years later, filled with half truths and outright deceptions, and quotes cherry picked to fool the stupid?

So before you become an expert from reading quotes made up and distorted -- learn who the fuck knew what he was talking about, and what he said.   Then  -- then -- you might not be such an idiot about Lincoln and the Civil War.

Douglass didn't get his information from white men 100 years later, from books, often distorted, nor from lying bastard's  quotes  -- purposely  reversed entirely from their meaning. 

  Was Douglass stupid?  

Lincoln's full speeches, and his full actions, are far different than the cherry picked bullshit quoted by Lincoln haters, and others. who are often too stupid, or too dishonest, to even bother reading his full speeches, much less to understand what and who he  had to deal with.

Lincoln often "set up" a prejudice of the day, by seeming to approve of it - only later, sometimes seconds later, destroying that prejudice in powerful ways.

No one did this --remember that -- no one did this, but Lincoln.   No one left one of his speeches confused. No one left thinking he was for slavery or didn't give a shit.   Lincoln used his immense rhetorical skill to defeat slavery.   If he realized that 100 years later, some scum sucking pigs would misquote him, or lie, or mischaracterize him, he wouldnt give a shit. He was trying to end slavery  -- and did.

Go on - guess which part of  a speech Lincoln haters quote?   Guess which part of Lincoln's speech get overlooked -- the part where he destroyed that prejudice.

Too complicated?  It wasn't too complicated for Frederick Douglass, who was there. 

If Lincoln did not care for equality -- why on earth did his political enemies then, claim hundreds of times, Lincoln was "radical nigger lover" ?

But you didn't even know Lincoln's enemies pegged him -- hundreds of times, regularly -- as a "Nigger lover".  

Hell no you didn't know.  

Did you know -- yes or no -- that Stephen A Douglas regularly called Lincoln a "radical abolitionist"  who "wanted your daughters to sleep with niggers".   And Douglas used the term "nigger" regularly, even on the floor of the Senate, and in the LIncoln Douglas debates.

The newspapers cleaned up Stephen A Douglas use of the word "nigger"  but he used it, regularly.  He was admonished for it again, and again, in Congress, but defiantly used "nigger" anyway.


Trashing Lincoln started while Lincoln was alive -- but for the opposite reason that many trash him (stupidly and fraudulently) today.

Stephen Douglas said that Lincoln spoke "constantly" - over and over -- about "equality for the Nigger". Click to see a movie clip above, based on the Lincoln Douglas debates.

Yes, the video has the word " Negro" -- Stephen A Douglas didn't use that word, he used "nigger".  But the newspaper used "Negro" so the screen writers  used it, in the movie. 

When Stephen Douglas told people Lincoln wanted their daughters to sleep with "niggers" -- Douglas all but urged people to attack Lincoln, because at that time, in Illinois, you could still be killed for being "too radical" about "equality"

And Douglass won that election, because of it.

Lincoln was later killed -- by Booth -- after Booth heard Lincoln speak for voting equality for blacks.

Did you even know that? HELL NO. 

Remember --  Stephen A Douglas said Lincoln as "obsessed" with equality for "the nigger".

And newspapers showed Lincoln the same way -- as a radical "Nigger lover"  or "Nigger Worshiper"  or "Abolitionist".   All terms which, at the time, if believed by the right mob, could get you killed, and eventually did get Lincoln killed.



Douglass (two s's)  made it clear -- no one was like Lincoln. First, because Lincoln could learn, and second, because Lincoln would act -- he would DO things.

Of all people, Frederick Douglass could hold a grudge against Lincoln for "going slow".    But quite the reverse.  Douglass grew to profoundly respect Lincoln -- and with good reason.

No one, (no one white)  fought as hard, or as wisely, or against such scum sucking pigs -- as Lincoln.  Douglass knew, much more than Lincoln haters even suspect, what kind of devious and mean bastards Lincoln was up against, in the NORTH. 


To understand slavery, as Douglass did, you had to understand the scum sucking pigs, North and South, religious and smooth lying bastards, politically and militarily powerful, who Lincoln had to deal with.

Douglass knew those men -- he knew the lying bastards, he knew the scum sucking pigs,  he knew the slavers.

And, he knew Lincoln -- and knew what Lincoln was up against.


Compared to anyone else, Lincoln was "rapid, zealous and determined".    Frederick Douglass, the genius of the era, who was there, who advised Lincoln, said that. Not me.

You think you know slavery -- or Lincoln -- better than Frederick Douglass, who was a slave, and was there, and worked with Lincoln?

Think you spent ten minutes reading some distorted and cherry picked out of context quote, and you are a fucking genius on LIncoln?

If so, get the fuck off my page, you idiot.

Think your white history teacher, who would shit his pants if he was in the same room with Frederick Douglass, even knows what Frederick Douglass said, or why he said it?

Here is a clue -- to get to Lincoln, in an honest way, you gotta go through Frederick Douglass.   And those who trash Lincoln -- including stupid blacks today --have no fucking clue about Douglass, have no fucking clue what Douglass interaction with Lincoln was. 

Douglass didn't fucking READ about Lincoln, you idiot.  And he didn't read about him 100 years later, from some distorted bullshit. Too complicated? Need more time?

Lincoln haters don't want any part of Douglass.  They'd shit their panties and run like cowards, if they were in the same room as Frederick Douglass.

Douglass didn't put up with bullshit. 


Think Douglass knew Lincoln by the distorted, out of context quotes  put in books 100 years later?  

This may be over your head -- but Lincoln was speaking to people who who would not cross the street to piss on a black person, much less fight a war to free them.  Too complicated?

Lincoln was not in Boston or Maine talking to people who already agreed with him.  He was speaking "out west"  in Illinois, miles from a slave state,  where people had been killed for speaking too often for freedom for slaves.  

Try to grasp that.

Guess who knew that?  Frederick Douglass knew that.

Guess who didn't know that?  You.

Do you think Douglass got his insights into slavery and Lincoln from from some white "history teacher" who only knows the bullshit narrative fed to him or her, in text books, often edited by Southern school boards?

Or did Douglass know something Lincoln haters and detractors do not even suspect?  Is it even POSSIBLE that Douglass knew what the hell he was talking about?


Like this "detail" -- Northern Congressmen called for Lincoln to be arrested if he even SAID the words, slavery must end, for the Civil War to end.

Lincoln's own advisors urged him not to even mention an end to slavery, as a part of the Civil War.     They told him he would doom the Civil War to failure, give victory to Confederacy, if Confederate sympathizer McClellan was elected.     And remember -- the South's war ultimatums of 1861 emphatically stated their demands to SPREAD slavery, even against the will of the voters, in the West.

Bet you didn't even know about the Five Southern Ultimatums of 1861 -- the first two, demanding the spread of slavery into Kansas.

Guess who knew about those ultimatums?  Lincoln - guess who didn't know -- you.  Guess who didn't tell you -- your history teacher.

Guess who else didn't tell you -- Lincoln haters.

There are hundreds of things like that which Lincoln knew -- Douglass knew -- but you never did.  And I doubt your "history teacher" knows. 

       Ohio Congressmen called for Lincoln to be arrested if he even said slavery had to end, for the Civil War to end.





Ask your history teacher -- or a Lincoln hater-- who was doing more, saying it more powerfully, than Lincoln?

Who -- give a name.   Who was telling people blacks were equal to whites,  right to their faces, in areas that still hated blacks, or thought they were "dogs that could talk"?

And Lincoln was eventually killed for speaking about voting equality.

Did you know that much?  DId you know, yes or no, that Booth shot Lincoln after he heard Lincoln speak about voting equality?

Hell no you didn't know that.  Nor did your history teacher bother to tell you, nor did Lincoln haters.  

Do you know anyone else that was shot and killed while President for speaking about voting rights for blacks?

No one -- and guess who knew that? Douglass knew that.

Guess who didn't have a clue, or didn't care?  Lincoln haters.

 Lincoln's genius included keeping enough white support to win the war - when many in the North wanted the South to win.  

Did your history teacher even tell you that?

Hell no.

Not surprisingly  "experts" today who  belittle Lincoln,  dare not do deal with Frederick Douglass.  Or they quote Douglass -- naturally - out of context.  If they were in the same room with Douglass, they would run like the cowards they are.     Douglass scared the shit out of liars and dumb asses, which is why we like him so much. 

One of FOX SPEW'S  Lincoln haters -- like most Lincoln haters, 
he is too stupid to even doubt what he claims.

Stopping Lincoln's quotes -- before he finishes the complete thought -- is a coward and liar's way.    Lincoln often SEEMED to agree with a prejudice, just seconds before he obliterated it.

For example, Lincoln would posit about the equality of the races, in intelligence and morals, as he often did, after being accused of wanting black men to "sleep with" white women.   Yes, Lincoln handled it carefully -- see the full speech, or the video clip from the movie, how Lincoln handled it. 

No one did that ---but Lincoln.   Show me another person running for office in areas still rife with hatred of abolitionist, that did what Lincoln did.

But read Lincoln's FULL speeches, and see what he actually did.   Learn some context. No one -- not one person alive at the time -- spoke as powerfully, as profoundly, as radically, as Lincoln did for the equality of the races.

No one.  

And read his words CAREFULLY.  The whole speeches, not the edited bullshit, which often completely reverse Lincoln's clear and full meaning.

For example -- NO ONE spoke as effectively and powerfully as Lincoln about equality of the races.  People could come to a Lincoln speech, and leave with an insight they didn't have before.

As Douglass knew well, Lincoln had to sometimes speak union --and wisely so -- in fact, some Northern Congressmen wanted LIncoln arrested if he even SPOKE about slavery ending for the Civil War to end! 

 Did you know that?  Hell no, you didn't know. 

Guess who did know?   The Northern Congressmen who spoke of it on the floor of the House of Representatives -- and they were from the NORTH!

Here is a clue -- Lincoln had to get Congressional support, enough support anyway, and enough popular support, for the war on our own soil, and to pursue it, in the end, till slavery ended. 

 Lincoln could have ended the war sooner, if he agreed with Southern leaders to let slavery continue -- he would not.  Some in Congress were livid.

Lincoln could have just let the South go -- but remember, Southern leaders were killing in Kansas, and promised to kill more, to spread slavery all over the West. 

You didn't know that either -- did you?  Hell no you didn't know.

You did not know about the killings -- going on for five years -- to spread slavery AGAINST states rights.   Admit it, you had no clue.

Guess who DID know -- Lincoln.

Guess who else did now -- Douglass.

Guess who else did know -- virtually everyone who paid attention at the time.

So unless you know what was going on -- and you don't because you were never told -- you don't know enough about Lincoln to even form a rational opinion.

If you were told only what Lincoln haters told you -- it would seem right.   Be careful where you get your information. 

Maybe  -- just maybe -- the genius of the era (Douglass) knew something  Lincoln haters and detractors do not.  In fact, without Douglass, Lincoln does not issue the Emancipation Proclamation, nor put blacks in the US military.   

Douglass changed everything --because he changed Lincoln, and pushed Lincoln, via logic, reason, and persuasion, to do the unthinkable -- arm black men, and use them in the US military.   That alone doomed slavery, because no rational person could ever again say blacks were not human beings, or that God delivered the black man to be enslaved by whites, as many believed at the time.


See, Douglass didnt get his information from lying or stupid bastards. He didn't get it from books published with approval of Southern school boards.   He didn't get it from people who never even read Lincoln's full speeches, much less knew what the scum sucking pigs --even in the North --were accusing Lincoln of, at the time..

A little knowledge is a wonderful thing to get people to hate a great man.



Frederick Douglass had certain insights -- being a slave, and advising Lincoln as he did.  In fact, Douglass was the guy who talked Lincoln into putting blacks in the Union Army -- a move that changed everything.

So you think Douglass was fooled by the political bastards of the time?   

Douglass was tortured by his owner.  He saw a woman tortured to death while the owner screamed scriptures loudly, to cover up the woman's own screams of pain.

Douglass knew exactly what was different about Lincoln -- even if your history teacher doesn't.   Douglass had to flee the US -- and then had to be bought from his owner, who had raped his mother, as owners often did rape their slave woman, and therefore enslave their own children. 

Think Douglass was easily fooled?   Think again.

Oh, you mean your history teacher didn't tell you?

Just like your history teacher didn't tell you Lincoln was called Nigger Lover more times than he could count, even by leading newspapers in the NORTH.   You didn't know that, did you?

There is a lot you don't know, if you get your information from your history teacher.

Your teacher got his narrative from books --and seems in most cases oblivious to the fact Lincoln was, according to his enemies and friends at the time, RADICAL about equality for the races.

That's what his enemies accused him of.  Remember that.

There are a thousand other things Douglass knew, just by being alive, and knowing Lincoln, etc, that your "history teacher" does not grasp.

 But Lincoln knew, and so did Douglass.   

Only an idiot or a liar -- if they knew LIncoln's full speeches and actions in context -- would say he was a racists, or that he in any way was not for equality under the law.

And of course Stephen Douglas was right -- see Lincoln's speeches. By the way, Stephen Douglas regularly used the term "Nigger" even on the floor of Congress.   Newspapers cleaned it up, but he said "Nigger" in the debates too. 


Yeah yeah, you can find 10 quotes from Lincoln  that -- to stupid people -- prove all they need to know.

Lincoln was a wordsmith- -when he said "IF I had to pick a superior race.."  then read the full speech.   Lincoln was speaking to people who, in recent memory, had seen mobs kill folks for being "abolitionist".

Did you know that or not?

No one else spoke as powerfully -- and remember, Lincoln was running for office. William Garrison didn't speak to crowd Lincoln faced.  He did not run for office.   And he was paid.

Garrison took no risks. 

Lincoln was killed hours after one of his speeches about equality for the black race.   Did you know that?  Did the books and speakers who try to feed you this bullshit tell you that?  Hell no.

The most famous abolitionist of the day, was William Garrison. He spoke in safe cities -- in Boston, for example.

Did Garrison go to cities where people had been killed for being abolitionist and speak with stunning and profound clarity on equality of the races? HELL NO.

Did Garrison stand next to Stephen A Douglas -- while Douglas told the folks, many of them who hated blacks, that Garrison wanted their daughters to "sleep with Niggers" ?

Hell no. 

Lincoln did -- but did your "history teacher" ever tell you that?

Did any Lincoln haters ever mention that? Seriously, did they even mention that -- ever. Once -- just once? 


Did you know Lincoln in "full measure" as Douglass did? Hell no -- yet some folks get some bullshit half quotes out of a book, and think they  are a genius. 

 Did you know, that most white men in the North, even most Union generals, would not fight to end slavery?  In fact, Lincoln could probably not get a hundred white people to fight to end slavery.

Nor was that his goal -- Lincoln's goal, and he said so, was to end slavery by stopping its growth.    There was no law, not constitutional right, no public will, to force an end to slavery where it was -- that would come later.  And Lincoln would act on it.  LIncoln would kick slavery's ass side ways,  and he made that happen, but it took a while to get other's on board.

Lincoln haters simply slam him for anything -- for not using force, against slavery AND for using force, after the Confederacy attacked.

Third Debate: Jonesboro, Illinois

(DOUGLAS) a negro is not and never ought to be a citizen of the United States. (Good, good, and tremendous cheers.) I hold that this Government was made on the white basis, by white men, for the benefit of white men and their posterity forever, and should be administered by white men and none others. Lincoln is very much in the habit of following in the track of Lovejoy in this particular, by reading that part of the Declaration of Independence to prove that the negro was endowed by the Almighty with the right for equality with white men

You can believe people who piss on Lincoln, or spit on Lincoln, all you want.  But no one  was as effective or radical as Lincoln. If you can find them, let me know, and tell Frederick Douglass, cause Douglass was there, and he never hear about them.

But read the FULL speeches:  learn when he said, what he said.  No one -- NO ONE -- spoke more powerfully or as effectively than Lincoln.    

If you thin

  • Long before Lincoln ever uttered one word about "Union"  he had spoke hundreds of speech about equality under the law for blacks.
  • Lincoln hated for being "obsessed" with equality for "the nigger" said his political enemies long before the Civil War.
  • Lincoln blasted in NORTHERN papers for being a "Negro Worshiper"
  • Lincoln " constantly harping about equality for the Nigger"  said Stephen A Douglass, in 1856
  • Congressmen in the North wanted Lincoln arrested for just saying slavery should end for the Civil War to end.
  • Lincoln not only did the Emancipation Proclamation, he personally got the 13th Amendment passed, where it was hopelessly stalled.

  • "Lincoln kicked slavery's ass sideways -- made sure it was dead, and utterly killed the God of Southern slavery, by exposing that God as a phony excuse that Southern scum didn't believe in anyway."

 Or did the genius of the era (Douglass) know what the hell he was talking about? 

See what Douglass knew, that you don't even suspect -- and those who trash Lincoln, sure as hell aren't going to tell you.  

Gee, I wonder why?

. There can be no neutrals in this war; only patriots and traitors.